Clipped wings question

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:35:37 -0500, <co RemoveThis @ultra-collections.com> wrote:

I would recommend clipping a CAG's wings, and keep them clipped after
the bird has learned to fly. I have heard the experience makes them
more confident in other situations that they experience for the rest
of their lives.

I also speak from the distressing side of having Morey (7 year old
CAG). Not once, but twice Morey flew away. First time it was
stupidity, second time I was being extra careful (so I thought) taking
him out of the car. I loosened my grip on his toes, and off he went.
The first time, I found him the next morning high in a tree in the
wooded lot next door. The second time he was gone for 3 days (my luck
it was cold and rainy for two of the days. He showed up on a deck of
some people about 2 miles from where I lost him.

I was so grateful he survived that I promised him I would keep him
clipped. I havean avian vet clip them so thry are done properly.

Well, sorry for the long story, but I had to advie you of my
experience.

Good luck,

Glen

>Hello fellow Grey fans,
>
>We recently bought a beautiful Grey, her wings are not clipped, while there
>is no problem for her to stay that way, I was wondering, would it be better
>to clip her wings during the adjustment periode of her new home. And what
>are the ups and downs of clipping a new family member. Thank you in advance
>for any help on this matter.
>
>Darrell
>
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Pete above me says no. I say yes. Not so short, and let someone chip the
wings that knows how to. (no trainee's allowed) Magnolia Bird Farm in
Anaheim and Riverside, California clip pet birds at no charge. My latest
adoptee got the clip for $20 from a vet in Henderson, NV. If the bird drops
with a thud, that's too short. If they gain altitude after 20 feet, it's
too long. Don't be one of the owners searching for their lost bird that got
away. Now you have two opinions.

Oh, I believe in microchips too. And I am at least the third owner of most
of my birds, including the Amazon sitting on my shoulder watching me type.
I dont recommend any Amazon sitting on anyone's shoulder, btw.

<co.DeleteThis@ultra-collections.com> wrote in message
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> Hello fellow Grey fans,
>
> We recently bought a beautiful Grey, her wings are not clipped, while
> there is no problem for her to stay that way, I was wondering, would it be
> better to clip her wings during the adjustment periode of her new home.
> And what are the ups and downs of clipping a new family member. Thank you
> in advance for any help on this matter.
>
> Darrell
>
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co DeleteThis @ultra-collections.com wrote:

> Hello fellow Grey fans,
>
> We recently bought a beautiful Grey, her wings are not clipped, while there
> is no problem for her to stay that way, I was wondering, would it be better
> to clip her wings during the adjustment periode of her new home. And what
> are the ups and downs of clipping a new family member. Thank you in advance
> for any help on this matter.
>
> Darrell
>
>

Do not clip their wings, ever! How would you like your legs broken so
you couldn't run away? Leave them alone FFS.
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Hey Darrell

Lots of opinions, right. Now clipping wings in akin to breaking legs.

I like the idea of not clipping till the bird learns to fly. Actually, the
bird learning to fly sort of suggests clipping.

My 17 yo CAG male had his flight feathers clippedor fixed in a way they do
not grow to full size. I've asked many vets, and no one knows what
happened. He's another third owner bird to me, and he'll be with me till
one of us pass on. I consider fixing flight feathers to grow at 1/3 size
insuring the bird can never fly is quite improper. Anyone ever hear of
this, I'd sure like to know.
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SBC User wrote:

> Hey Darrell
>
> Lots of opinions, right. Now clipping wings in akin to breaking legs.
>
> I like the idea of not clipping till the bird learns to fly. Actually, the
> bird learning to fly sort of suggests clipping.
>
> My 17 yo CAG male had his flight feathers clippedor fixed in a way they do
> not grow to full size. I've asked many vets, and no one knows what
> happened. He's another third owner bird to me, and he'll be with me till
> one of us pass on. I consider fixing flight feathers to grow at 1/3 size
> insuring the bird can never fly is quite improper. Anyone ever hear of
> this, I'd sure like to know.
>

They are not some bush you can simply prune. Leave their wings alone for
goodness sake.
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Most of mine sit on my shoulder - doesn't cause any problems here - why don't you recommend it?

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:35:11 -0000, SBC User <SBCuser RemoveThis @sbcglobal.com> wrote:

> Pete above me says no. I say yes. Not so short, and let someone chip the
> wings that knows how to. (no trainee's allowed) Magnolia Bird Farm in
> Anaheim and Riverside, California clip pet birds at no charge. My latest
> adoptee got the clip for $20 from a vet in Henderson, NV. If the bird drops
> with a thud, that's too short. If they gain altitude after 20 feet, it's
> too long. Don't be one of the owners searching for their lost bird that got
> away. Now you have two opinions.
>
> Oh, I believe in microchips too. And I am at least the third owner of most
> of my birds, including the Amazon sitting on my shoulder watching me type.
> I dont recommend any Amazon sitting on anyone's shoulder, btw.
>
> <co RemoveThis @ultra-collections.com> wrote in message
> news:oqHef.1480$KP5.254198@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Hello fellow Grey fans,
>>
>> We recently bought a beautiful Grey, her wings are not clipped, while
>> there is no problem for her to stay that way, I was wondering, would it be
>> better to clip her wings during the adjustment periode of her new home.
>> And what are the ups and downs of clipping a new family member. Thank you
>> in advance for any help on this matter.
>>
>> Darrell
>>
>
>
>



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I've had 4 birds escape (all due to carelessness on my part). One came back as he missed another parrot he loves, one stopped when he realised he was lost and waited in my neighbours garden for me to pick him up, one sat in a hedge and whistled for me to come get him, the only one that disappeared I'd only had for two weeks, and she had the same name as the neighbours duahgter, so probably went off when her father called her!

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:44:45 -0000, fpofficer328 <fpofficer328 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:35:37 -0500, <co DeleteThis @ultra-collections.com> wrote:
>
> I would recommend clipping a CAG's wings, and keep them clipped after
> the bird has learned to fly. I have heard the experience makes them
> more confident in other situations that they experience for the rest
> of their lives.
>
> I also speak from the distressing side of having Morey (7 year old
> CAG). Not once, but twice Morey flew away. First time it was
> stupidity, second time I was being extra careful (so I thought) taking
> him out of the car. I loosened my grip on his toes, and off he went.
> The first time, I found him the next morning high in a tree in the
> wooded lot next door. The second time he was gone for 3 days (my luck
> it was cold and rainy for two of the days. He showed up on a deck of
> some people about 2 miles from where I lost him.
>
> I was so grateful he survived that I promised him I would keep him
> clipped. I havean avian vet clip them so thry are done properly.
>
> Well, sorry for the long story, but I had to advie you of my
> experience.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Glen
>
>> Hello fellow Grey fans,
>>
>> We recently bought a beautiful Grey, her wings are not clipped, while there
>> is no problem for her to stay that way, I was wondering, would it be better
>> to clip her wings during the adjustment periode of her new home. And what
>> are the ups and downs of clipping a new family member. Thank you in advance
>> for any help on this matter.
>>
>> Darrell
>>
>
>



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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:01:02 -0000, SBC User <SBCuser.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

> Hey Darrell
>
> Lots of opinions, right. Now clipping wings in akin to breaking legs.
>
> I like the idea of not clipping till the bird learns to fly. Actually, the
> bird learning to fly sort of suggests clipping.
>
> My 17 yo CAG male had his flight feathers clippedor fixed in a way they do
> not grow to full size. I've asked many vets, and no one knows what
> happened. He's another third owner bird to me, and he'll be with me till
> one of us pass on. I consider fixing flight feathers to grow at 1/3 size
> insuring the bird can never fly is quite improper. Anyone ever hear of
> this, I'd sure like to know.

That happend to three of my birds, they all grew to full size eventually (some took up to 3 years).

One bird I have hated it's previous owners, and loves me. Now either she loves being out more (I never cage them up, they fly freely around the house and aviary), or she loves me not clipping her wings. Most of my parrots even let me clip their toenails without argument (no towel, they just sit in front of me while I do it).

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I'd love to chat with you about this off net. Do you have Skype?
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Peter Hucker wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:01:02 -0000, SBC User <SBCuser.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Darrell
>>
>> Lots of opinions, right. Now clipping wings in akin to breaking legs.
>>
>> I like the idea of not clipping till the bird learns to fly.
>> Actually, the
>> bird learning to fly sort of suggests clipping.
>>
>> My 17 yo CAG male had his flight feathers clippedor fixed in a way
>> they do
>> not grow to full size. I've asked many vets, and no one knows what
>> happened. He's another third owner bird to me, and he'll be with me till
>> one of us pass on. I consider fixing flight feathers to grow at 1/3 size
>> insuring the bird can never fly is quite improper. Anyone ever hear of
>> this, I'd sure like to know.
>
>
> That happend to three of my birds, they all grew to full size eventually
> (some took up to 3 years).
>
> One bird I have hated it's previous owners, and loves me. Now either
> she loves being out more (I never cage them up, they fly freely around
> the house and aviary), or she loves me not clipping her wings. Most of
> my parrots even let me clip their toenails without argument (no towel,
> they just sit in front of me while I do it).
>

I've read about birds realising what's happened and freaking out too.

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SBC User wrote:

> I'd love to chat with you about this off net. Do you have Skype?
>
>

Nope, I don't have a net-phone yet, are they any good?

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"Peter Hucker" <no.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
dickhead phucker returns
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"Peter Hucker" <no.RemoveThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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> I've had 4 birds escape (all due to carelessness on my part).
>
proves beyond doubt you are a dickhead hucker.
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