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Nicole and Stuart

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:32 am
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We have a white and light brown on the top Chihuahua for sale. He is a pure
breed but we do not have the papers for him. We would love to keep him but
we have a sick infant and a toddler so we do not have alot of time to spend
with the dog (Casper). He is about 1 and 1/2 years old. We paid 400 dollars
for him we will sale him for 150 dollars obo. There is a picture of him
attached.

You can e-mail me back at sweetcoco19 DeleteThis @mail2mom.com or call me @ 247-1783
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:35 pm
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"Nicole and Stuart" <sweetcoco18.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> We have a white and light brown on the top Chihuahua for sale. He is a
pure
> breed but we do not have the papers for him. We would love to keep him but
> we have a sick infant and a toddler so we do not have alot of time to
spend
> with the dog (Casper). He is about 1 and 1/2 years old. We paid 400
dollars
> for him we will sale him for 150 dollars obo. There is a picture of him
> attached.
>
> You can e-mail me back at sweetcoco19.DeleteThis@mail2mom.com or call me @ 247-1783
> and ask for Nicole or Stu
>

This newsgroup is not for the sale of dogs. There is little to no chance
anyone would pay anything over the cost of a shelter dog for your poor
reject Chihuahua - though you should not give a dog away for free. My
suggestion would be to contact your local Chi rescue and ask them if they
can assist you in placing the dog; you should also plan to make a sizeable
donation to them to help cover their costs. The other option is to actually
keep the dog that you made a commitment to when you purchased him, but that
would actually require some work on your part.

Christy

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:35 pm
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Christy wrote:

>
> This newsgroup is not for the sale of dogs. There is little to no chance
> anyone would pay anything over the cost of a shelter dog for your poor
> reject Chihuahua -

Only thing is a chihuahua in rescue would cost more than
$150.00. Paps in rescue cost up to $400.00 depending on
age.

I do agree that it would be in the best interest of the
dog to seek assistance from rescue. As for
the keeping it, well maybe it is better off in a new
home that would love it. One that wouldn't be inclined
to dump the dog at the drop of the pin as this post
appears to be.

Gwen
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:42 pm
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"Gwen Watson" <gwen.TakeThisOut@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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> Only thing is a chihuahua in rescue would cost more than
> $150.00. Paps in rescue cost up to $400.00 depending on
> age.

Paps are not nearly as common as Chihuahuas. At my local shelter, you can
find anywhere from 2-10 Chihuahuas at any time of the year. There are four
right now, and adoption fees include vaccinations and spay/neuter. Rescue
groups may charge more, but they are taking in animals in a variety of ages
and conditions, including puppies and senior dogs; they are getting them vet
care and speutering, and they are fostering the dogs, evaluating the dogs
and potential homes, and putting on adoption events, all of which costs a
considerable amount of time and money. I highly doubt this half-hearted dog
owner is doing anything to benefit the $150 fee.

Christy
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:58 am
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HOWEDY Nicole and Stuart,

"Nicole and Stuart" <sweetcoco18.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> We have a white and light brown on the top
> Chihuahua for sale. He is a pure breed but
> we do not have the papers for him. We would
> love to keep him but we have a sick infant
> and a toddler

That's too bad.

> so we do not have alot of time
> to spend with the dog (Casper).

It only takes a few minutes a day to care for a dog.
Most people who give up their dogs do so because
of behavior problems.

> He is about 1 and 1/2 years old. We paid 400 dollars
> for him we will sale him for 150 dollars obo.
> There is a picture of him attached.

If you're lookin to sell you dog because of
a behavior problem we can CURE that
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to
boot.

FurtherMOORE, the methods in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual are highly
effective on children, to boot.

OtherWIZE, good luck.

You'll be WIZE to DISREGARD the lying
dog abusing punk thug cowards and active
long term incurable mental cases who've
replied to your post. They just LOVE to
be able to criticize and condemn someWON
they can make HOWET to be less saintly
than themselves.

And stay away from so called "rescues" and
"shelter", they're usually run by the same mental
cases you've seen postin here abHOWETS.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >

The Scientific Principles Of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method

Date: 2004-07-24 22:25:50 PST

HOWEDY TooCool aka Larry,

"TooCool" <larrymale.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sound distraction, with praise, works for any dog,

Just like freakin MAGICK.

> regardless of breed,

A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond
In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
Reflexive, Ways, To Circumstances And Situations
Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

> age,

A three week old pup has all the brains he
needs to learn anything we have the brains
to teach him.

> temperament

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

> or past experience.

The past is history; "today is the first day
of the rest of your life." You GET the critter
you TRAINED.

> It is not a trick

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
never trained a trick dog.

> or training tip.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't
give training tips cause that leaves
too many training PROBLEMS to
deal with.

> It is a scientific principle that applies
> to canines in general.

A mammal brain is a mammal brain.
The Amazng Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
works on all critters equally well, birds,
kats kids spHOWESES employee's
employers, everyWON EXXXEPT for
professional dog trainers and university
behaviorISTS who've got a VESTED
INTEREST in DEFENDING their alleged
RIGHT to HURT and MURDER dogs as
THEY GET PAID TO DO.

> If it did not work for you, then you did
> not perform it correctly.

And they failed to ASK The Amazing Puppy
Wizard for additional FREE heelp. In five
years of training dogs all over the Whole
Wild World for FREE from settin right here
stark ravin nekkid The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students have
NEVER FAILED to CONSISTENTLY get
100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS.

When so called dog trainer leah roberts
SEZ The Amazing Puppy Wizard REFUSED
to train her, she REFUSED to STUDY her
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual. The Amazing Puppy Wizard does't
SEE people and dogs to train them.

Training dogs is NOT a PHYSICAL SKILL you
gotta be shown at the heel of a EXXXPERT
DOG CHOKER. Training dogs is an INTELLECTUAL
THINKING skill, not a gymnastic EXXXERCISE or
a matter of choosin the RIGHT WORDS to make
it S-HOWEND like you're not doin what you're doin.

> Remember, your sound distraction must
> be accompanied immediately by praise
> lasting from 5 to 15 seconds. During this
> 5 to 15 second period your dog will be
> thinking.
>
> Observe them closely to see the telltale
> signs that they are thinking.
>
> The sound distraction must not originate
> from the trainer twice in a row.
>
> The sound distraction must alternately
> originate from the trainer and then
> originate from the dog or beyond the dog.

That chain of events doesn't break from
day in to day HOWET. If you make a
mistake just follow through from there
and it'll all work HOWET.

> That is why you need something
> that you can toss that will not make
> any sound until it lands.

Or a partner strategically situated to
create the alternate S-HOWEND. Any
S-HOWEND will do, a neighbor closin
a door or startin a car, an air conditioner
or heater kicking in, a peal of thunder,
a cricket, anything, so long as the timing
coincides with the thoughts and behavior
and we LOCK THAT THOUGHT IN with
the prolonged NON PHYSICAL PRAISE.

> You begin praisin gassoonasitmakesitssound.
> If the misbehavior continues after four alternating
> attempts, then call your dog to you and retry the
> sound distraction with praise a little while later.

SO CALLED professional dog trainers don't LIKE
that cause it makes them FEEL impotent. They
simply CANNOT understand the concept that in
order to get 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL
they've got to GIVE UP PHYSICAL CON-TROLL
and start workin with their BRAINS.

> This prevents any battles with your dog.

But that makes them FEEL like they're not
IN CON-TROLL, so they WON'T DO IT no
matter HOWE HARD they gotta FIGHT.

> Never use your sound distraction as an
> aversive (to frighten or to intimidate)-that
> invalidates the scientific principle upon
> which this method is based.

SO CALLED professional trainers CANNOT
UNDERSTAND HOWE a dog can LEARN
if they're not "CORRECTING" and bribing
or "REWARDING" IT.

Punishment and bribery have NO place in training.
You CANNOT REWARD a past behavior the dog
AIN'T THINKIN of doin.

> The praise is just as important as is the sound distraction.

It's MOORE important. Praise in advance
will usually cause the dog to think correctly.

And if it don't, NO PROBLEMO! We can
NEVER make a mistake by PRAISING.

> The scientific principle upon which the sound
> distraction with praise method is based is the
> same as that of Pavlov's conditioned reflex.
> However, it has been proven that this sound
> distraction system will condition a behavior in
> dogs in less than half the number of attempts
> as required by Pavlov's method.

Dr. Pavlov didn't have his or the dog's lives
at stake, as does The Amazing Puppy Wizard.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
And THAT'S where The Amazing Puppy Wizard is
goin with all this, SOON AS WE GET IT STRAIGHT
right here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums.

In some circles, dog studies are used as
models for HUMAN BEHAVIOR. JUST THINK,
dog lovers, YOUR CASE HISTORIES will be
used by child psychologists to RE-TRAIN
THEMSELVES and educate school teachers
all over the Whole Wild World... just like HOWE
The Amazing Puppy Wizard HAS BEEN TEACHING.

> Condition your dog to your praise by praising
> them every time that they look at you.
> If you desire a thinking dog, never use treats
> for training because your dog's mind will focus
> upon the food rather than upon his lesson.

Bribing can only teach GREED and distracts
the dog or child from THINKING of the lesson.
Withholding bribes as in clicker training INCREASES
anxiHOWESNESS to dangerHOWES levels.

THAT'S HOWE COME click / treat trained
dogs often FAIL when facing REAL LIFE
situations. Every time the C/T trained dog
is asked to do a command he REFLEXES
to the anxiHOWESNESS of the initial training
perhaps months or years earlier; add THAT to
the stress of a WORKING situation, like greetin
a guest and the dog CANNOT contain hisself.

At that, the so called professional trainer
responds with physical CON-TROLL which
likeWIZE INCREASES anxiHOWESNESS.

The entire time the guest is in the HOWES
his anxiHOWESNESS level continues to
rise until when the guest is leaving, the dog
makes an aggressive move, cause he's never
been PUNISHED for sayin GOODBYE to a
guest exiting as he has on their entrance.

That's been a curiHOWEsity to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard for nearly forty years. It was
only a couple years ago that HE figgered THAT
conundrum HOWET, THANKS to the DOG
LOVERS and EXXXPERTS here abHOWETS
who've CHALLENGED Jerry Howe to make HIM,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard.

Thank you, Group!

> Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End
> Training Method to learn the entire theory and
> application of these principles.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard will NEVER
deny a Student the opportunity to achieve
the VERY BEST for his dogs and famliy.

> His system is based upon scientific
> principles and it is logically consistent
> from start to finish.

There's NO WON who can say they've FAILED
or The Amazing Puppy Wizard will get the heel
HOWETA this business.

> Once you appreciate that it is in the nature
> of a dog to oppose you then you will begin
> to ma kerapidprogresswithyourtraining.

Dogs kids and ladies just wanna have FUN.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has dedicated
HIS life to making THAT, a reality.

> You will then devise your training techniques
> so as to avoid any opposition-physical or mental.

CuriHOWES ain't it, HOWE COME The Amazing
Puppy Wizard hasn't applied those techniques
here abHOWETS, ain't it, Larry. It's almost SEEM
like HE didn't WANT to succeed at training EVERYWON.

> Do not let your dog detect any emotion that
> will tell him that he is succeeding in opposing
> you. In other words never let your dog feel that
> he is opposing you, because if you do, he will
> certainly frustrate you with continued opposition.

INDEED. That's HOWE COME we don't
FEAR dangerHOWES behaviors, cause
all behaviors are the same same. Worryin
abHOWET innane BUNK like the FEAR
CARD when training risky behaviors causes
us to disregard the PROVEN EFFECTIVE
methods and cater to PARANOIA and "tailor"
force methods to suit the DOG or the problem,
thus avoiding addressing and trainscending
all behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY.

> That is why it is so important to always praise
> your dog. If you reveal to your dog that he is not
> doing what you want him to do, then he will, by
> his very nature, continue to oppose you. If, however,
> you devise your training methods so that your
> dog never knows that he is opposing you, then
> you will make rapid progress.

IOW, we NEVER tell the dog "NO!" or otherWIZE
EVER have ANY negative interaction whatsoever
OR YOU WILL SURELY FAIL to get 100% TOTAL
NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL.

Simple, AIN'T IT, dog lovers.

> For example, to teach a dog not to forge
> ahead of you, simply reverse direction
> without notice and praise-this is a training
> method that reveals no opposition from you.

If the dog fails to return to heel, NO PROBLEMO!
We GIVE UP on the heel command and ask him
to come and PRAISE INSTANTLY and THEN we
can return to the original problem of breakin the
heel command.

SO CALLED professional trainers FEAR teachin
BAD BEAHVIORS by NOT CORRECTING the dog
for makin mistakes. That couldn't be further from
reality. Dogs DO NOT LEARN BAD BEHAVIORS
by being "allHOWED" to "get away" with doin a
"self rewarding" behavior, they LEARN BAD
BEHAVIORS when incomptent trainers FOCUS
on punishing avoiding bribing and offering alternate
incompatible behaviors and physically distracting
the dog, thereby disavailing themselves of training
opportunites.

DOGS DO NOT DO BAD BEHAVIORS.

And as for "self rewarding" behaviors, there
ain't NUTHIN MOORE REWARDING than
his handler's "GOOD BOY, NICE DOG, YOU'RE
A GOOOD FELLA." UNLESS OF CURSE, you're
in the HABIT of HURTIN your dog.

> Another example: if your dog strains upon his
> lead, praise him when his lead is slack. When
> he hits the end of his lead, pull him back an
> inch and then praise the slack lead.

That's HOWE COME pupperly handling the
lead EXXXACTLY as instructed, not using
a restrictive collar or harness and the Hot
& Cold Exercise are so important. It teaches
the dog to TRUST his handler and not fear
being jerked and choked and to pay attention
to the handler with WON eye and WON ear
at all times.

From there on HOWET, the rest of the
trainin is like shootin fish in a barrel or
The Amazing Puppy Wizard DISCREDITING
these lying dog abusing COWARDS and
active long term incurable MENTAL CASES
who hurt and murder dogs and LIE abHOWET IT.

> Since it doesn't take long for a dog's natural
> thigmotactic reflex to operate, don't pull back
> for more than an instant and then immediately
> praise his slack lead.
> --Larry

Thank you, Larry aka TooCool.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:49 am
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"Gwen Watson" <gwen.TakeThisOut@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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>
>
> Christy wrote:
>
> >
> > This newsgroup is not for the sale of dogs. There is little to no chance
> > anyone would pay anything over the cost of a shelter dog for your poor
> > reject Chihuahua -
>
> Only thing is a chihuahua in rescue would cost more than
> $150.00. Paps in rescue cost up to $400.00 depending on
> age.
>
> I do agree that it would be in the best interest of the
> dog to seek assistance from rescue. As for
> the keeping it, well maybe it is better off in a new
> home that would love it. One that wouldn't be inclined
> to dump the dog at the drop of the pin as this post
> appears to be.
>
> Gwen


Yeah, it amazes me how people don't seem to think about stuff like, "What if
the baby gets sick? Will we still be willing to give the dog what it needs
in life?" or, "Oh look, pregnant again--is this going to work well with the
other child and the dog or should we start doing some serious thinking now?"

It was amazing how many people in our lives seemed to assume we'd jsut
marginalize Saskia as soon as Walter was born, no matter how many times we
explained exactly why we were getting an 8 week old puppy while I was 8
weeks pregnant instead of 8 months or with a new baby, no matter how often
we demonstrated a strong working knowledge (even as first-time parents
ourselves) of raising dogs and kids together (a family without a dog is
somehow empty...), etc. People even tried to explain that it would be a lot
of work, as if we hadn't even paused to consider that before shelling out
950 Euros on a champion lines Dane puppy (some of the same people are now
shocked we've had her spayed--since her father is National Champion here
they just assumed we'd be breeding her "to sell the puppies"... and then for
some reason they forget to say that THAT would be a lot of work, seems they
think it's jsut fun and cuteness...).

People even tried to say that a much smaller dog would be less work...
Saskia needs a short Frisbee chase in the morning and a grand romp in the
field in the evening, and a bit of tug now and then between. She spends
nearly all her time blissfully asleep on the sofa already, and she's only
eight months old. Yeah, much more work than, say, a border collie (love
'em, but you do see my point, energy-level-wise).

But what all this said to me is that a huge number of people indeed do NOT
think! They just say, "Wow, cute dog, let's buy it like it was a toy and be
caught totally by surprise that it still has needs and wants to be part of
the family even after we have what we consider to be more important things
to think about". Sorry to rant, but I just get really worked up by people
who don't think before getting into something, especially when living,
thinking, emotional creatures are involved.
--Katrina
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:23 pm
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"Margaret" <chowmom RemoveThis @dicorleto.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Nicole and Stuart" <sweetcoco18 RemoveThis @sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:aMidnY5SeedqARbcRVn-sw@rogers.com...
>
> > We have a white and light brown on the top
> > Chihuahua for sale.

> Since the children are sick and most likely an
> inconvenience as well, why not put them up for
> adoption?
>
> I get upset with people who treat animals as commodities.

Yeah. But you don't know the DETAILS. All
you done was attack the lady on accHOWENT
of she's in a jam and needs HEELP, not criticism
from a ignorant lying dog abusing punk thug coward
long term incurable MENTAL CASE.

> Margaret

"chowmom" <chowmom RemoveThis @dicorleto.com> wrote in message
news:qXF%9.123$Fi3.94@fe01...
>
> "Cymbaline" <mdnghtkiss RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:f1dd2e1.0302031224.19ba2dad@posting.google.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> >> I've been doing this for more than 1 month
> >> and they have gotten better but still I would
> >> like to try to correct the barking 1hour before
> >> dinner thing and stop them from barking while
> >> I attempt to feed them.

> > Cymbaline

> Why not feed them earlier? Sounds like you're
> spending alot of time goingback and forth for no
> real reason.

> Margaret

chowmom RemoveThis @dicorleto.com (chowmom) wrote in
<OAyB9.32802$46.28793@fe01>:

>Children who Injure and/or kill animals are more likely as
>adults to be aggressive and assaultive to humans. They may
>not be serial killers but may very well be spouse or child
>abusers and continue to abuse family pets. I have heard of a
>few programs that deal with children who abuse animals. I
>find it interesting in cases like this that the victim
>(animal or human) is somehow blamed for what happened.
>I hope they lock this guy up for a long time.
>Margaret
>"crosem" <crosem RemoveThis @flash.net> wrote in message
>news:W6wB9.360$Cx3.12215438@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
>> you know, torturing animals is frequently a precursor to
>> being a serial killer.
>> that girl better dump him fast!


HOWE about these animal abusers, chowmom?:


"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author:
"Courteous Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make
the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we
> > > want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very
sorry
> > for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please provide a
quote
> > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry Howe's heavily
edited
> > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > or using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Is that true, Marilyn?

Of course not~ but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.


terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.


"Marshall Dermer" <dermer RemoveThis @alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If
you
> are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider
> our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered, Obedient
and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and
dog
abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe
There
Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is
Anything
But Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want to choke
or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good
working dog by
making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl
who continues:

> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here
who
> are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
require much more frequent and heavy application of
pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and
the
job is not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or
do it
yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to
striking them more sharply

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,
even the
buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give
in

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the
ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting
your will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,
As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When
the
dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally
reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops
it, chuck
it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is
getting
tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1 RemoveThis @earthlink.net>
rhurwitz RemoveThis @earthlink.net
writes:

>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find the book.. they don't
have these
>> books in the local pet stores I frequent, where do you find
Koehler?

>I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com
>Richard

Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on
its shelves. You can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE
(0876056575,

========================================================

Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your
koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its face for 5 seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash
are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the
dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where
the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached
their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while
he still had the strength to renew the attack would be
cruelty. The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength nor
inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is obvious
that he is physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will
probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps,
vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side,
is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the
foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would
express his resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these extreme problems.
Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might
resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then
cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes
painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the
cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected
because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of
mealy-mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog
psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts
their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the
greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than
would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind"
to make a correction and certainly with more disregard for
his safety, the professional trainer morally feels obligated
to perform a "major operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites
in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal
with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites
someone other than his master."
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I have been running a Chihuahua rescue here in Michigan for the past 17
years and at no time are there a bunch of Chihuahuas in the local
shelters...and as luck would have it when one does come in there are
long lists of people waiting to adopt.I have gotten only 3 Chihuahuas
from the shelters in a 150 mile area in the past year.Yes rescues do
ask more for their dogs but as you pointed out all medical is done.
Our rescue asks 200.00 per dog....and we never never never had a puppy
in rescue...that is just a fantast people have...I know tons of other
breed-rescues and none ever have pups.
The youngest dogs we have are just under a year old.
The biggest problem is housebreaking...Chi's who were not trained will
have a hard time adjusting,it takes us months and months to train a dog
and then in some cases they can never be trained....(thank God for the
carpet washer)
I think asking 150.00 for the dog is fine but I'd advertise on sites
like 57dogs.com or qualitydogs.com
I do believe this person meant well in trying to sell/place her dog and
I don't think there is a single person in this world who is so-perfect
to cast stones at this girl for posting.
We should be gently advising her to other places to advertise or sugest
rescues but attacking someone because you don't agree with their
posting is impolite.
To the person who posted if you do need help finding a rescue to take
your dog(remember rescues do not pay for dogs) I would be happy to
point you to rescues in your state, My email is
chihuahuasofmichigan.DeleteThis@yahoo.com
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