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rhp

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:32 pm
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Hello. We have a problem with our cat urinating in places he
shouldn't, and it seems like we've exhausted all of the "standard"
explanations and solutions. We're wondering if anyone here has more
ideas. We love our kitty very much, but this is a frustrating problem.
I'm sure our apartment deposit is long lost, but we'd love to not have
to replace the carpet every year in the house we're buying...

Our cat urinates on the carpet in places all around the apartment. It
goes in waves -- some weeks he'll do it every day and sometimes he'll
go a week or more without doing it even once. It doesn't seem to be
related to the location; if we somehow block off the location he's
been using, he just finds a new one. We've cleaned the areas as
thoroughly as we possibly can with every cleaner known to man and have
covered them with aluminum foil. Sometimes he just finds another spot,
sometimes he urinates right on the foil. He does this in all rooms,
and has done it when staying at another person's house too. We've
tried putting litter boxes in the places where he's urinated, but it
doesn't help -- he'll just urinate in another spot, sometimes right
outside of the box. He never urinates on linoleum, wood or tile --
only carpet. He has been known to urinate on backpacks or other cloth
items left on the floor. This is not spraying -- he squats down and
urinates. He never defecates on the floor; it's always urination only.
He's about 9 years old, and we got him two years ago. He's had this
problem as long as we've had him. He is the only pet in the house. He
is neutered.

It seems that the traditional explanation for urinating outside of the
litter box is either that the cat has an infection, doesn't like his
litter box or is upset, stressed or depressed about something. We've
been to the vet about this many times (actually, he's been to more
than one vet about it), and they've repeatedly confirmed that he has
no infections or other detectable medical problems. We don't think
he's really depressed or stressed -- he seems happy and we spend a lot
of time with him. Also, one of the vets gave him an antidepressant
prescription that they claimed would fix the problem, and it made no
discernable difference.

We actually haven't yet tried changing his litter. We haven't thought
that the litter was the problem, because he still uses it pretty
regularly -- he just goes outside of the box also. And when staying at
someone else's house, where they have completely different litter, he
exhibits the same behavior (he uses the litter most of the time and
then occasionally urinates on a random piece of carpeted floor). We're
also concerned that any change to the litter box has the potential to
actually make the problem worse. However, we're now thinking that this
may be something worth trying anyway.

Any other thoughts? Has anyone else experienced this problem? We just
wish we could talk to him and have him explain what he's thinking, but
obviously cats don't work that way...

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:16 am
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A friend's male indoor cat urinated or sprayed around her house according to
appearances by an outdoor cat he saw from a window. Marking & remarking his
territory because of the perceived threat of the outdoor cat (who was
oblivious).


www.mimiforsyth.com

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:35 am
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You may want to try placing several litterboxes around the house with
different types of litter (regular clay, clumping, wheat litter, whatever
else you can find). See if there is one that he uses more often. Another
idea is maybe get some old towels, and put one in a litterbox and see if he
uses that instead of the floor. You'll have to wash, or just throw out, the
towels, but at least it's not on the carpet.

Can you think of anything that may have changed in your household around the
time he started doing this? It may be something you think is insignificant.

By the way, thank you for taking the time to solve this problem instead of
dumping him off at a shelter. I volunteer at a shelter, and we've had a
couple cats turned in recently for similar problems.

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"rhp" <rhpiii135.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hello. We have a problem with our cat urinating in places he
> shouldn't, and it seems like we've exhausted all of the "standard"
> explanations and solutions. We're wondering if anyone here has more
> ideas. We love our kitty very much, but this is a frustrating problem.
> I'm sure our apartment deposit is long lost, but we'd love to not have
> to replace the carpet every year in the house we're buying...
>
> Our cat urinates on the carpet in places all around the apartment. It
> goes in waves -- some weeks he'll do it every day and sometimes he'll
> go a week or more without doing it even once. It doesn't seem to be
> related to the location; if we somehow block off the location he's
> been using, he just finds a new one. We've cleaned the areas as
> thoroughly as we possibly can with every cleaner known to man and have
> covered them with aluminum foil. Sometimes he just finds another spot,
> sometimes he urinates right on the foil. He does this in all rooms,
> and has done it when staying at another person's house too. We've
> tried putting litter boxes in the places where he's urinated, but it
> doesn't help -- he'll just urinate in another spot, sometimes right
> outside of the box. He never urinates on linoleum, wood or tile --
> only carpet. He has been known to urinate on backpacks or other cloth
> items left on the floor. This is not spraying -- he squats down and
> urinates. He never defecates on the floor; it's always urination only.
> He's about 9 years old, and we got him two years ago. He's had this
> problem as long as we've had him. He is the only pet in the house. He
> is neutered.
>
> It seems that the traditional explanation for urinating outside of the
> litter box is either that the cat has an infection, doesn't like his
> litter box or is upset, stressed or depressed about something. We've
> been to the vet about this many times (actually, he's been to more
> than one vet about it), and they've repeatedly confirmed that he has
> no infections or other detectable medical problems. We don't think
> he's really depressed or stressed -- he seems happy and we spend a lot
> of time with him. Also, one of the vets gave him an antidepressant
> prescription that they claimed would fix the problem, and it made no
> discernable difference.
>
> We actually haven't yet tried changing his litter. We haven't thought
> that the litter was the problem, because he still uses it pretty
> regularly -- he just goes outside of the box also. And when staying at
> someone else's house, where they have completely different litter, he
> exhibits the same behavior (he uses the litter most of the time and
> then occasionally urinates on a random piece of carpeted floor). We're
> also concerned that any change to the litter box has the potential to
> actually make the problem worse. However, we're now thinking that this
> may be something worth trying anyway.
>
> Any other thoughts? Has anyone else experienced this problem? We just
> wish we could talk to him and have him explain what he's thinking, but
> obviously cats don't work that way...
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:42 pm
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darnit7 DeleteThis @aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message news:<20040809072835.10759.00000990 DeleteThis @mb-m13.aol.com>...

> Just wondering, is this cat declawed? Declawed cats can experience urinating
> outside the box.

Yes, he is declawed (and was when we got him).

> Lastly, are you cleaning where he goes with an enzymatic cleaner? The problem
> though too is that the pee is probably now in the carpet pad as well.

We have used enzymatic cleaners. As you said, it has gone into the
carpet pad as well. And, the smell in the area doesn't really seem to
be the attraction for him. He seems just as happy to urinate somewhere
brand new as somewhere he's gone before. So, while cleaning thoroughly
helps *us*, it doesn't seem to do much for controlling the behavior.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:44 pm
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"KellyH" <Kelly DeleteThis @whatever.com> wrote in message news:<Q2ERc.253707$JR4.99116@attbi_s54>...

> idea is maybe get some old towels, and put one in a litterbox and see if he
> uses that instead of the floor. You'll have to wash, or just throw out, the
> towels, but at least it's not on the carpet.

Interesting idea. Thanks!

>
> Can you think of anything that may have changed in your household around the
> time he started doing this? It may be something you think is insignificant.

Well, he's done it as long as we've had him, so we don't know.
Certainly moving in with us was a very big change in his life, and
that may have triggered it. We have no information on whether or not
he had this problem before we got him. We've had him for about two
years, and he's consistently had the problem the whole time.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:45 pm
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maccandace.RemoveThis@aol.comlitter (MacCandace) wrote in message news:<20040809014027.11031.00003009.RemoveThis@mb-m02.aol.com>...

> Have you tried Feliway? It's for marking behavior, which is usually spraying,
> buit I think urinating can also be conseidered marking behavior, at times.

Yes, but unfortunately it didn't help much. As I mentioned in another
post, he's not picky about where he goes. If we make one area
unattractive to him (via Feliway or anything else), he just goes
somewhere else.

Thanks for the response.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:41 pm
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"rhp" <rhpiii135 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes, but unfortunately it didn't help much. As I mentioned in another
> post, he's not picky about where he goes. If we make one area
> unattractive to him (via Feliway or anything else), he just goes
> somewhere else.
>
> Thanks for the response.

You may want to try the Feliway diffusers instead of the spray. Place them
around the house for good coverage. My mom had a problem with one of her
cats pooping around the house, and Feliway solved it. Also, her two cats
get along much better.

You mentioned in another post that he is declawed. I bet you anything that
he started this behavior after his declaw, and that's why he was surrendered
in the first place. Using the litterbox might be painful for him :-( If
you're willing to try it, the towel idea might work.

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kelly at farringtons dot net
www.kelltek.com
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:37 am
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This is a subject near and dear to me now. Sorry if this is long..

Our cat Newman, was peeing everywhere (carpet,aluminum foil, next to the
food bowls). No infection, and would pee right in front of us. Never had
any infections. New vet took x-rays right off the bat, poor kiity has kidney
stones and CRF. No other vets ever checked for this. So I would sugget
making sure they take xrays to see if it is Kindey stones. Once we started
giving him sub-q fluids, his peeing stopped - and we had to rip up lots of
carpet that he ruined :( He was also put on prescription food Science Diet
x/d.

Next cat - Angus. Couple months ago, started peeing on spare bed - in room
with a litter box. We would catch him doing it, and then he would look sad
and go right to litter box to pee. This happened a couple of times, then we
caught him after we returned from vacation. We thought maybe he was just mad
at us, but took him to vets. No infection, just a high PH. Didn't know what
that was from.
We would find his pee over the next couple of weeks - on pillows, blankets,
laundry basket, clothes left on floor. We finally had to cover couch with
waterproof matrress pad and lots of newspapers. He did pee on the newspapers
once. This past week he peed somewhere every day. (even one of my other
cats sprayed - not peed - on a bookcase, but the vet said he was probably
just mad that Angus was ruining the house!!).
Took Angus in for urinalysis and xrays again - took his brother, too, for
good measure. Angus had been spending too much time under our bed, and I
swear, his brother looked worried about him. All their tests came back
negative, except for the PH. It was both very high on both cats.
So, here is what we did (5 cats shared two litter boxes - one very big -
rubbermaid bin - in laundry room, the other in spare bedroom where Angus
was peeing on bed)
-moved litter box from spare bedroom to bathroom, closed spare bedroom door
-put new litter box in master bathroom. Filled it with 'Cat Attract' litter.
-put new litter box in foyer (only other place we could think of, but very
little traffic). Used mixture of 'Mountain Cat' litter - little woody
pellets and 'Cat Attract'. The vet suggested the Mountain Cat - thought
maybe Angus didn't like the clay anymore
- Put all cats (except newman) on Prescription food Science Diet c/d. I had
been giving them Friskies/Fancy Feast canned mixed with Iams Light.

Results: Angus peed in Cat Attract litter right away. All four litter boxes
are getting use. Have had no more accidents. And Angus is back to his old
self, running, jumping, playing with us and not hiding under bed. We are
very happy and relieved. I was at my wit's end doing laundry and cleaning
carpets.

So I would suggest the following:
-make sure xrays have been taken to rule out any stones.
-add more litter boxes with different litter - try the Cat Attract, mix it
with different types (newspaper, on a towel, Mountain Cat - might be the
same as feline pine???)
-see if a change of food - perhaps to prescription might help.

Good luck. I truly know how hard this is to get through.

"rhp" <rhpiii135.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:863b5977.0408081932.6290169f@posting.google.com...
> Hello. We have a problem with our cat urinating in places he
> shouldn't, and it seems like we've exhausted all of the "standard"
> explanations and solutions. We're wondering if anyone here has more
> ideas. We love our kitty very much, but this is a frustrating problem.
> I'm sure our apartment deposit is long lost, but we'd love to not have
> to replace the carpet every year in the house we're buying...
>
> Our cat urinates on the carpet in places all around the apartment. It
> goes in waves -- some weeks he'll do it every day and sometimes he'll
> go a week or more without doing it even once. It doesn't seem to be
> related to the location; if we somehow block off the location he's
> been using, he just finds a new one. We've cleaned the areas as
> thoroughly as we possibly can with every cleaner known to man and have
> covered them with aluminum foil. Sometimes he just finds another spot,
> sometimes he urinates right on the foil. He does this in all rooms,
> and has done it when staying at another person's house too. We've
> tried putting litter boxes in the places where he's urinated, but it
> doesn't help -- he'll just urinate in another spot, sometimes right
> outside of the box. He never urinates on linoleum, wood or tile --
> only carpet. He has been known to urinate on backpacks or other cloth
> items left on the floor. This is not spraying -- he squats down and
> urinates. He never defecates on the floor; it's always urination only.
> He's about 9 years old, and we got him two years ago. He's had this
> problem as long as we've had him. He is the only pet in the house. He
> is neutered.
>
> It seems that the traditional explanation for urinating outside of the
> litter box is either that the cat has an infection, doesn't like his
> litter box or is upset, stressed or depressed about something. We've
> been to the vet about this many times (actually, he's been to more
> than one vet about it), and they've repeatedly confirmed that he has
> no infections or other detectable medical problems. We don't think
> he's really depressed or stressed -- he seems happy and we spend a lot
> of time with him. Also, one of the vets gave him an antidepressant
> prescription that they claimed would fix the problem, and it made no
> discernable difference.
>
> We actually haven't yet tried changing his litter. We haven't thought
> that the litter was the problem, because he still uses it pretty
> regularly -- he just goes outside of the box also. And when staying at
> someone else's house, where they have completely different litter, he
> exhibits the same behavior (he uses the litter most of the time and
> then occasionally urinates on a random piece of carpeted floor). We're
> also concerned that any change to the litter box has the potential to
> actually make the problem worse. However, we're now thinking that this
> may be something worth trying anyway.
>
> Any other thoughts? Has anyone else experienced this problem? We just
> wish we could talk to him and have him explain what he's thinking, but
> obviously cats don't work that way...
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