Cat not drinking water

"Ivor Jones" <ivor.DeleteThis@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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> Matthew wrote:
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor.DeleteThis@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:66em6dF2k2kvjU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Upscale wrote:
>>>> "William Graham" <weg9.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
>>>>> millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
>>>>> find......:^)
>>>>
>>>> Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>>>> longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>>>> unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>>>> happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>>
>>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
>>> miserable one.
>>>
>>
>> That is about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
>
> The most ignorant thing *I've* ever heard is that it's ok to keep a cat
> indoors just because you *want* to and not because it's *necessary* to do
> so.
>
> There *are* circumstances where cats should be kept indoors (FIV+ etc) but
> they are in the minority.
>
>> But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of
>> you can resist to keep going
>
> You already did.

No I did not.
> Ivor

I am not going to debate this STUPID ARGUMENT with you or anyone else.
Everyone of you that keeps coming back to this freaking argument and keep it
going. You only coming back because all of you are playing who can pound
their chest harder and louder. I think it is called quién es más macho in
Spanish.

Everyone one of you have made your point to each other multiple times in
multiple post. And Guess what you still are doing it over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over and over and over again. It gets BORING

Professor has his points, William has his. Ivor you have yours, Baldoni has
his. Upscale has his. I have mine this is just to name a few. And guess
what you all will never change each others minds you will never agree with
one another on the opposite side. A debate can be interesting but the same
debate over and over and over and over and over and over gets annoying after
awhile. You all seem desperate to jump on the band wagon when it rolls
thru. Take up knitting it is more interesting than having to see the same
thing almost every week.
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Professor wrote:

[snip]

> The idea that it us better for everyone to let their cat play in the
> street and potentially live a very short life rather than be safe
> indoors and live a long life is utterly ridiculous. I could possibly
> understand it if someone lived far from civilization but that would
> probably present threats from wild animals. Perhaps it is just that
> cats have been miserable living indoors with Ivor, which after
> reading his posts I can understand.

You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had over the
last 30 years, all of whom have been allowed out and all of whom have
lived for 16+ years. Please don't make assumptions.

Ivor
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor.TakeThisOut@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
> You don't know me, the area where I live, or the cats I have had over the
> last 30 years, all of whom have been allowed out and all of whom have
> lived for 16+ years. Please don't make assumptions.

Actually, you're the one making assumptions by thinking that indoor only
cats are miserable or even remotely unhappy. By your statement "Personally
I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable one" can we
believe that you'd be perfectly happy to spend all your time eating,
drinking and screwing around and then dying by the age of thirty from a
combination of AIDS, diabetes and cirrhosis of the liver?
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Matthew wrote:

[snip]

> Professor has his points, William has his. Ivor you have yours,
> Baldoni has his. Upscale has his. I have mine this is just to name a
> few. And guess what you all will never change each others minds you
> will never agree with one another on the opposite side. A debate can
> be interesting but the same debate over and over and over and over
> and over and over gets annoying after awhile. You all seem desperate
> to jump on the band wagon when it rolls thru. Take up knitting it
> is more interesting than having to see the same thing almost every
> week.

You don't *have* to see it. Nobody is forcing you to read it.

Ivor
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor.RemoveThis@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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> Matthew wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Professor has his points, William has his. Ivor you have yours,
>> Baldoni has his. Upscale has his. I have mine this is just to name a
>> few. And guess what you all will never change each others minds you
>> will never agree with one another on the opposite side. A debate can
>> be interesting but the same debate over and over and over and over
>> and over and over gets annoying after awhile. You all seem desperate
>> to jump on the band wagon when it rolls thru. Take up knitting it
>> is more interesting than having to see the same thing almost every
>> week.
>
> You don't *have* to see it. Nobody is forcing you to read it.
>
> Ivor

quién es más macho again


That is true but when it dominates a news group all the time and then
spreads . I don't want to kill file any of you for all of you are cat
lovers and have something to contribute to the well being of cats. BUT IT
IS GETTING OLD
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:57:29 -0700 (PDT), jottland RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:

>On Apr 13, 11:12 am, "Ivor Jones" <i... RemoveThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>> Upscale wrote:
>> > "William Graham" <w... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions
>> >> of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^)
>>
>> > Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>> > longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>> > unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>> > happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>
>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable
>> one.
>>
>> But that's me.
>>
>> Ivor
>
>I have 2 cats, 13 and 15 and they are outside all summer and always
>have been......they are in all winter. Spring and summer they are
>outside, hanging out in the barn or on the front porch.

If you have a barn then you're not likely to be in a city where a cat
can easily get run over. Any coyotes or such?

My cats are lucky; they spend most of the time in a house with cat
trees and several floors to run around in. When I'm home, they can go
into the fenced-in backyard and watch the birds and squirrels and
such.

I picked one cat, Marlo, right off the street by my house. After
getting her checked and fixed, I introduced her to my other two and
she mixed in well. So, she is familiar with the neighborhood. I was
concerned that she might not like being fenced in where she used to
roam around freely, but that is not the case.

She is the last cat to head outside when the door is opened, and she
tends to stay near the door. We're finally getting warm enough that I
can leave the door ajar, but during the cooler weather I keep the
storm door closed and open it only when one wants to come in or out.
Whenever I open that door, she comes charging in, as if afraid that
she might be locked out.

I can hardly blame her. It's dry, there's food and a cat fountain,
soft places to sleep, and someone to hold and scritch her and run a
brush through her fur. She may not be the brightest bulb, but she
isn't stupid.
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor DeleteThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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> Upscale wrote:
>> "William Graham" <weg9 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions
>>> of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^)
>>
>> Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>> longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>> unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>> happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>
> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable
> one.
>
> But that's me.
>
>
> Ivor
>
Me too, and I wouldn't impose anything else on my cats, either. When you
compare a hundred year lifespan to the infinity of time that is implied in
the universe, it just doesn't make sense to compromise on your enjoyment in
the interest of saving a few years, and anyone who really understands cats
would know that they think the same way, or, at least, would think that way
were they philosophers......:^)
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor.RemoveThis@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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> Professor wrote:
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor.RemoveThis@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:66em6dF2k2kvjU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Upscale wrote:
>>>> "William Graham" <weg9.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
>>>>> millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
>>>>> find......:^)
>>>>
>>>> Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>>>> longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>>>> unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>>>> happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>>
>>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
>>> miserable one.
>>> But that's me.
>>>
>>> Ivor
>>>
>>>
>> Ivor is stupid enough to think that indoor cats are somehow unhappy
>> when nothing could be further from the truth.
>
> Possibly, but from experience I believe they'd be *happier* if allowed
> outside.
>
> Ivor
>
I know mine wouldn't be happier inside, because I am too lazy to cater to
them they way I would have to were they inside cats.....And therein lies the
answer. If you want to go to the trouble of making sure your inside cats are
happy, then have at it. - I certainly wouldn't try to stop you. But, by the
same token, have the courtesy to understand that I know what is best for my
cats too. - I have neither the time nor energy to keep them happy if they
were trapped inside, so they are better off outside.
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"Professor" <vzey7sgz DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <ivor DeleteThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Professor wrote:
>>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor DeleteThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:66em6dF2k2kvjU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Upscale wrote:
>>>>> "William Graham" <weg9 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
>>>>>> millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
>>>>>> find......:^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>>>>> longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>>>>> unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>>>>> happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
>>>> miserable one.
>>>> But that's me.
>>>> Ivor
>>>>
>>> Ivor is stupid enough to think that indoor cats are somehow unhappy
>>> when nothing could be further from the truth.
>>
>> Possibly, but from experience I believe they'd be *happier* if allowed
>> outside.
>> Ivor
>>
>>
> I don't want to continue this argument beyond this post. Most people live
> in places where the potential for a cat getting severely injured or killed
> outside is very great. Cats have been living with people in houses for
> thousands of years. They're not mountain lions, they're housecats.
>
> The idea that it us better for everyone to let their cat play in the
> street and potentially live a very short life rather than be safe indoors
> and live a long life is utterly ridiculous. I could possibly understand
> it if someone lived far from civilization but that would probably present
> threats from wild animals. Perhaps it is just that cats have been
> miserable living indoors with Ivor, which after reading his posts I can
> understand.
>
You should speak for your own street.....And let me speak for mine.....
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"Matthew" <Iamacatslave RemoveThis @proudtoserve.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor RemoveThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Upscale wrote:
>>> "William Graham" <weg9 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions
>>>> of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^)
>>>
>>> Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>>> longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>>> unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>>> happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>
>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable
>> one.
>>
>
> That is about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
>
>
>
> But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of you
> can resist to keep going
>
It may be stupid to you, but to me it is a lot deeper than most people
really understand. - It has philosophical implications that are tremendous,
and not just for the cats. The whole world today is divided between giving
up their freedoms to the government and letting society make their decisions
for them, and standing on their own feet and going with their own decisions
for better or worse. Please choose wisely.......
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"Matthew" <Iamacatslave DeleteThis @proudtoserve.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor DeleteThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Matthew wrote:
>>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor DeleteThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:66em6dF2k2kvjU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Upscale wrote:
>>>>> "William Graham" <weg9 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for
>>>>>> millions of years by drinking the foulest water they could
>>>>>> find......:^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>>>>> longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>>>>> unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>>>>> happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and
>>>> miserable one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is about the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
>>
>> The most ignorant thing *I've* ever heard is that it's ok to keep a cat
>> indoors just because you *want* to and not because it's *necessary* to do
>> so.
>>
>> There *are* circumstances where cats should be kept indoors (FIV+ etc)
>> but
>> they are in the minority.
>>
>>> But I am not going to get in this stupid debate again that a few of
>>> you can resist to keep going
>>
>> You already did.
>
> No I did not.
>> Ivor
>
> I am not going to debate this STUPID ARGUMENT with you or anyone else.
> Everyone of you that keeps coming back to this freaking argument and keep
> it going. You only coming back because all of you are playing who can
> pound their chest harder and louder. I think it is called quién es más
> macho in Spanish.
>
> Everyone one of you have made your point to each other multiple times in
> multiple post. And Guess what you still are doing it over and over and
> over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
> over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
> over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
> over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. It gets
> BORING
>
> Professor has his points, William has his. Ivor you have yours, Baldoni
> has his. Upscale has his. I have mine this is just to name a few. And
> guess what you all will never change each others minds you will never
> agree with one another on the opposite side. A debate can be interesting
> but the same debate over and over and over and over and over and over gets
> annoying after awhile. You all seem desperate to jump on the band wagon
> when it rolls thru. Take up knitting it is more interesting than having
> to see the same thing almost every week.
>
When they usher you into your own private padded cell, designed so you can't
hurt yourself by making any stupid decisions, then we will see whether or
not you can recognize the value of the thing called, "freedom", for either
cats or human beings.......
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<jottland DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 13, 11:12 am, "Ivor Jones" <i... DeleteThis @thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>> Upscale wrote:
>> > "William Graham" <w... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions
>> >> of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^)
>>
>> > Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>> > longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>> > unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>> > happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>
>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable
>> one.
>>
>> But that's me.
>>
>> Ivor
>
> I have 2 cats, 13 and 15 and they are outside all summer and always
> have been......they are in all winter. Spring and summer they are
> outside, hanging out in the barn or on the front porch.

Yes, and mine will kill to go out should I trap them in the house, and when
they do finally escape, they only go 10 feet from the front door to sit in
the sun on the porch......It isn't the fact that appeals to them, but only
the idea. (Just like Patrick Henry) One can learn a lot from cats.......
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"AMUN" <spamblocker.RemoveThis@dumbaswisconsincows.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor.RemoveThis@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Upscale wrote:
>>> "William Graham" <weg9.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> Yeah......Makes you wonder how they could have survived for millions
>>>> of years by drinking the foulest water they could find......:^)
>>>
>>> Which should make one realize why indoor only cats usually live
>>> longer than outdoor cats. Just because a cat may be happier with the
>>> unlimited wide open spaces available to it doesn't mean it can't be
>>> happy living an indoor only life as well as a longer life.
>>
>> Personally I'd rather a short and happy life than a long and miserable
>> one.
>>
>> But that's me.
>>
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>
> Our cats have always been free to come and go as they please, and only
> rarely have ever been the worse for wear because of it.
> We accept the tapeworms and the occasional injury as a fact of life, but
> cats are not meant to live locked up.
> Besides we save on food costs when they hunt down their own.
> Perhaps people living on top of 30 story apartment buildings should not
> let their cats out.
> But for many of us, it's fine.
>
> Cats only have two real goals in life, to sleep, and to hunt.
> Let them have both.
>
The apartments in NYC are full of outside cats....They can be seen sunning
themselves on the fire escapes and the roofs of the buildings. Many of them
never go on the streets but they are free to do so should they want to do
it......
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