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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:43 pm
Post subject: 9 y.o. Border Collie mix with ACL injury
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Hi, my 9 year old Border Collie mix ruptured her ACL this afternoon running
after a squirrel. Brought her in to the vet right away, sat in the waiting room
for three hours while the dog tried to stand and walk around, when the vet
finally got to her he said that she'd require an orthopedic surgeon, and then
proceeded to tell us that the nearest one was downtown and once our dog was
evaluated they might not do surgery because she's overweight.
The weight has been an issue for years, she's currently 56lbs., and only today
does the vet come up with a reducing diet. I asked what took so long, the
assistant offered "whoops" as a reason.
He also just now mentioned that she has "masses" in her inner thigh and around
her front leg. We'd been treating them like pulled muscles, which I think he
also said she has. The vet doesn't believe in repeating himself.
This vet is only good for shots and nail clipping, I've already lost two friends
to him, one only three weeks ago and now I'd like to change vets, finding a new
one in the area won't be easy however (we live in Bronx, NY and there are two
vets nearby, this one and one that has no parking.)
He sent us home with a bag of ten Rimadyl tablets and the peanut shell reducing
diet, telling us to come back in two weeks. Our dog won't eat the food so we've
given her a lesser amount of what she normally eats, Nutro's dry food and plain
ground chicken. She ate and went out and urinated, but now we're wondering how
she will be able to "assume the position" to poop.
I've also got the 80 year old that 'owns' the dog insisting that she stay
upstairs with her. I have no way of making her see that the stairs are
impossible right now and the dog was carried up as I was writing this.
Help.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:43 pm
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You need to get another opinion. I've never known my husband to refuse to do
an ACL surgery on an overweight dog. You fix it, assist them getting around
and deal with the weight issue. You don't let the injury heal wrong and have
the dog deal with pain because it has a weight issue.
Good luck.
-Sharon
"Colin" wrote in message
> Hi, my 9 year old Border Collie mix ruptured her ACL this afternoon
running
> after a squirrel. Brought her in to the vet right away, sat in the
waiting room
> for three hours while the dog tried to stand and walk around, when the vet
> finally got to her he said that she'd require an orthopedic surgeon, and
then
> proceeded to tell us that the nearest one was downtown and once our dog
was
> evaluated they might not do surgery because she's overweight.
>
> The weight has been an issue for years, she's currently 56lbs., and only
today
> does the vet come up with a reducing diet. I asked what took so long, the
> assistant offered "whoops" as a reason.
>
> He also just now mentioned that she has "masses" in her inner thigh and
around
> her front leg. We'd been treating them like pulled muscles, which I think
he
> also said she has. The vet doesn't believe in repeating himself.
>
> This vet is only good for shots and nail clipping, I've already lost two
friends
> to him, one only three weeks ago and now I'd like to change vets, finding
a new
> one in the area won't be easy however (we live in Bronx, NY and there are
two
> vets nearby, this one and one that has no parking.)
>
> He sent us home with a bag of ten Rimadyl tablets and the peanut shell
reducing
> diet, telling us to come back in two weeks. Our dog won't eat the food so
we've
> given her a lesser amount of what she normally eats, Nutro's dry food and
plain
> ground chicken. She ate and went out and urinated, but now we're
wondering how
> she will be able to "assume the position" to poop.
>
> I've also got the 80 year old that 'owns' the dog insisting that she stay
> upstairs with her. I have no way of making her see that the stairs are
> impossible right now and the dog was carried up as I was writing this.
>
> Help.
>
> C.T. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:09 pm
Post subject: Re: 9 y.o. Border Collie mix with ACL injury [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Colin wrote:
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> Hi, my 9 year old Border Collie mix ruptured her ACL this afternoon running
> after a squirrel. Brought her in to the vet right away, sat in the waiting room
> for three hours while the dog tried to stand and walk around, when the vet
> finally got to her he said that she'd require an orthopedic surgeon, and then
> proceeded to tell us that the nearest one was downtown and once our dog was
> evaluated they might not do surgery because she's overweight.
>
You definitely need to see a specialist. The ones I've dealt with
have been very good. They have a procedure now with far better
prognosis than formerly (TPLO?). Let the orthopedist tell you if
weight is a problem.
When I need to slim down a dog, I just reduce the amount I feed.
It makes sense to me--it's easy to know how the new diet compares
to the old--compare measured amounts. Then as the desired weight
is approached, adjust the amount upward to try to achieve stability
at the ideal weight. I would think switching foods would be a lot
more complicated.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:09 pm
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:48:45 -0400, "Sharon"
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>You need to get another opinion. I've never known my husband to refuse to do
>an ACL surgery on an overweight dog. You fix it, assist them getting around
>and deal with the weight issue. You don't let the injury heal wrong and have
>the dog deal with pain because it has a weight issue.
The current vet had us feeling like putting her under anaesthesia now was a
death sentence, and kept mentioning the growths in our dog's thigh and shoulder,
as well as saying the injury could return after surgery, what would the
prognosis realistically be?
We are looking to change vets, that's for sure right now. Where are you
located? :)
>Good luck.
Thanks, we need a lot of that.
C.T.
>-Sharon
>"Colin" wrote in message
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>> Hi, my 9 year old Border Collie mix ruptured her ACL this afternoon
>running
>> after a squirrel. Brought her in to the vet right away, sat in the
>waiting room
>> for three hours while the dog tried to stand and walk around, when the vet
>> finally got to her he said that she'd require an orthopedic surgeon, and
>then
>> proceeded to tell us that the nearest one was downtown and once our dog
>was
>> evaluated they might not do surgery because she's overweight.
>>
>> The weight has been an issue for years, she's currently 56lbs., and only
>today
>> does the vet come up with a reducing diet. I asked what took so long, the
>> assistant offered "whoops" as a reason.
>>
>> He also just now mentioned that she has "masses" in her inner thigh and
>around
>> her front leg. We'd been treating them like pulled muscles, which I think
>he
>> also said she has. The vet doesn't believe in repeating himself.
>>
>> This vet is only good for shots and nail clipping, I've already lost two
>friends
>> to him, one only three weeks ago and now I'd like to change vets, finding
>a new
>> one in the area won't be easy however (we live in Bronx, NY and there are
>two
>> vets nearby, this one and one that has no parking.)
>>
>> He sent us home with a bag of ten Rimadyl tablets and the peanut shell
>reducing
>> diet, telling us to come back in two weeks. Our dog won't eat the food so
>we've
>> given her a lesser amount of what she normally eats, Nutro's dry food and
>plain
>> ground chicken. She ate and went out and urinated, but now we're
>wondering how
>> she will be able to "assume the position" to poop.
>>
>> I've also got the 80 year old that 'owns' the dog insisting that she stay
>> upstairs with her. I have no way of making her see that the stairs are
>> impossible right now and the dog was carried up as I was writing this.
>>
>> Help.
>>
>> C.T.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:11 pm
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:09:02 GMT, Amy Dahl wrote:
>Colin wrote:
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>> Hi, my 9 year old Border Collie mix ruptured her ACL this afternoon running
>> after a squirrel. Brought her in to the vet right away, sat in the waiting room
>> for three hours while the dog tried to stand and walk around, when the vet
>> finally got to her he said that she'd require an orthopedic surgeon, and then
>> proceeded to tell us that the nearest one was downtown and once our dog was
>> evaluated they might not do surgery because she's overweight.
>>
>You definitely need to see a specialist. The ones I've dealt with
>have been very good. They have a procedure now with far better
>prognosis than formerly (TPLO?). Let the orthopedist tell you if
>weight is a problem.
Thanks, that does give me a little hope.
>When I need to slim down a dog, I just reduce the amount I feed.
>It makes sense to me--it's easy to know how the new diet compares
>to the old--compare measured amounts. Then as the desired weight
>is approached, adjust the amount upward to try to achieve stability
>at the ideal weight. I would think switching foods would be a lot
>more complicated.
Exactly. Thanks!
>Amy Dahl
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:33 pm
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Did blood work indicate that the kidney's were in poor enough shape not to
handle anesthesia?
> We are looking to change vets, that's for sure right now. Where are you
> located? :)
We're about an hour and a half from the Peace Bridge. But there are some
wonderful vets closer to the border in the Buffalo/Niagara Region.
In any event, a second opinion, maybe even from a clinic that staffs a board
certified orthopedic surgeon would be in order.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:06 pm
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You can replace some of her normal food with boiled cabbage, and also use
the cabbage water to pour over the dry food. Not only does the cabbage help
to strip the weight off, it is meant to be one of the natural foods that
help with inflammatory conditions.
Our Bc had a ruptured ACL, and he is now bounding around. He had 'fishing
line' put in to replace the ligament, but his body reacted to that, so it
was removed and some muscle was used to hold the joint together. From our
experience, I cannot stress how important it is to take an xray prior to
surgery, as the bone where the line is anchored must be sound enough to take
the pressure. From talking to my many BC friends, I have heard that because
of the way BCs leap around, that little projection often is not strong
enough, and then you end up with more surgery, more pain for the dog, and
much longer recovery time.
Your current vet sounds like a total jerk - it's worth the travel time to go
to a decent caring vet.
ACL is definitely fixable - but rest and time ar eessential post surgery.
Good luck
judy
"Colin" wrote in message
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:09:02 GMT, Amy Dahl wrote:
> >Colin wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, my 9 year old Border Collie mix ruptured her ACL this afternoon
running
> >> after a squirrel. Brought her in to the vet right away, sat in the
waiting room
> >> for three hours while the dog tried to stand and walk around, when the
vet
> >> finally got to her he said that she'd require an orthopedic surgeon,
and then
> >> proceeded to tell us that the nearest one was downtown and once our dog
was
> >> evaluated they might not do surgery because she's overweight.
> >>
> >You definitely need to see a specialist. The ones I've dealt with
> >have been very good. They have a procedure now with far better
> >prognosis than formerly (TPLO?). Let the orthopedist tell you if
> >weight is a problem.
>
> Thanks, that does give me a little hope.
>
> >When I need to slim down a dog, I just reduce the amount I feed.
> >It makes sense to me--it's easy to know how the new diet compares
> >to the old--compare measured amounts. Then as the desired weight
> >is approached, adjust the amount upward to try to achieve stability
> >at the ideal weight. I would think switching foods would be a lot
> >more complicated.
>
> Exactly. Thanks!
>
> >Amy Dahl
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:37 am
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:33:40 -0400, "Sharon"
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>Did blood work indicate that the kidney's were in poor enough shape not to
>handle anesthesia?
Thank you, you've proven my thoughts on my current vet. He did no blood work at
all, just handed us a bag of Rimadyl and said to come back in two weeks.
>> We are looking to change vets, that's for sure right now. Where are you
>> located? :)
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>We're about an hour and a half from the Peace Bridge. But there are some
>wonderful vets closer to the border in the Buffalo/Niagara Region.
>
>In any event, a second opinion, maybe even from a clinic that staffs a board
>certified orthopedic surgeon would be in order.
We've made an appointment with the Village Animal Clinic in Arsdley, NY, they
sounded knowledgable over the phone and the vet our neighbor uses recommended
the Orthopedic specialist there. I've read good things about him online so
hopefully our girl will be on the road to recovery soon.
Thanks again, you brought me hope. :)
>-Sharon
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:37 am
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Colin - good luck. I hope you get the answers you're looking for.
-Sharon
"Colin" wrote in message
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:33:40 -0400, "Sharon"
> wrote:
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> >Did blood work indicate that the kidney's were in poor enough shape not
to
> >handle anesthesia?
>
> Thank you, you've proven my thoughts on my current vet. He did no blood
work at
> all, just handed us a bag of Rimadyl and said to come back in two weeks.
>
> >> We are looking to change vets, that's for sure right now. Where are
you
> >> located? :)
> >
> >We're about an hour and a half from the Peace Bridge. But there are some
> >wonderful vets closer to the border in the Buffalo/Niagara Region.
> >
> >In any event, a second opinion, maybe even from a clinic that staffs a
board
> >certified orthopedic surgeon would be in order.
>
> We've made an appointment with the Village Animal Clinic in Arsdley, NY,
they
> sounded knowledgable over the phone and the vet our neighbor uses
recommended
> the Orthopedic specialist there. I've read good things about him online
so
> hopefully our girl will be on the road to recovery soon.
>
> Thanks again, you brought me hope. :)
>
> >-Sharon
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:37 am
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"Colin" wrote in message
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:33:40 -0400, "Sharon"
> wrote:
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> >Did blood work indicate that the kidney's were in poor enough shape not
to
> >handle anesthesia?
>
> Thank you, you've proven my thoughts on my current vet. He did no blood
work at
> all, just handed us a bag of Rimadyl and said to come back in two weeks.
Aren't vets supposed to do bloodwork before Rimadyl is given?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:47 am
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:06:28 +1000, "judy" wrote:
>You can replace some of her normal food with boiled cabbage, and also use
>the cabbage water to pour over the dry food. Not only does the cabbage help
>to strip the weight off, it is meant to be one of the natural foods that
>help with inflammatory conditions.
Thank you! I'll try that right away, our girl enjoys veggies so she shouldn't
have any problem with the added cabbage.
>Our Bc had a ruptured ACL, and he is now bounding around. He had 'fishing
>line' put in to replace the ligament, but his body reacted to that, so it
>was removed and some muscle was used to hold the joint together. From our
>experience, I cannot stress how important it is to take an xray prior to
>surgery, as the bone where the line is anchored must be sound enough to take
>the pressure.
I'll keep that in mind, glad to hear your BC is doing good now.
>From talking to my many BC friends, I have heard that because
>of the way BCs leap around, that little projection often is not strong
>enough, and then you end up with more surgery, more pain for the dog, and
>much longer recovery time.
It's true, prior to this injury we were trying to control how often she ran up
and down the stairs, but as long as she could, she wouldn't hear of it.
>Your current vet sounds like a total jerk - it's worth the travel time to go
>to a decent caring vet.
The more I've read these past two days, the more I see he is very much a jerk.
:) I agree that a little longer trip would be worth it, I still need to
convince my mom, she worries about the wrong things at times.
>ACL is definitely fixable - but rest and time ar eessential post surgery.
>
>Good luck
Thanks, we have an appointment with an Orthopedic specialist, while he's about a
half hour away, I think it's going to be worth it.
>judy
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>"Colin" wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:09:02 GMT, Amy Dahl wrote:
>> >Colin wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, my 9 year old Border Collie mix ruptured her ACL this afternoon
>running
>> >> after a squirrel. Brought her in to the vet right away, sat in the
>waiting room
>> >> for three hours while the dog tried to stand and walk around, when the
>vet
>> >> finally got to her he said that she'd require an orthopedic surgeon,
>and then
>> >> proceeded to tell us that the nearest one was downtown and once our dog
>was
>> >> evaluated they might not do surgery because she's overweight.
>> >>
>> >You definitely need to see a specialist. The ones I've dealt with
>> >have been very good. They have a procedure now with far better
>> >prognosis than formerly (TPLO?). Let the orthopedist tell you if
>> >weight is a problem.
>>
>> Thanks, that does give me a little hope.
>>
>> >When I need to slim down a dog, I just reduce the amount I feed.
>> >It makes sense to me--it's easy to know how the new diet compares
>> >to the old--compare measured amounts. Then as the desired weight
>> >is approached, adjust the amount upward to try to achieve stability
>> >at the ideal weight. I would think switching foods would be a lot
>> >more complicated.
>>
>> Exactly. Thanks!
>>
>> >Amy Dahl
>>
>> C.T.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:51 am
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:43:39 -0700, "Rene" wrote:
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>"Colin" wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:33:40 -0400, "Sharon"
>> wrote:
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>> >Did blood work indicate that the kidney's were in poor enough shape not
>to
>> >handle anesthesia?
>>
>> Thank you, you've proven my thoughts on my current vet. He did no blood
>work at
>> all, just handed us a bag of Rimadyl and said to come back in two weeks.
>
>Aren't vets supposed to do bloodwork before Rimadyl is given?
He didn't take any blood at all, from reading other posts on here about Rimadyl
I see that a blood test should have been done, she's been on 50mg of it twice a
day since Thursday, what should I do? Discontinue it until we see the
Orthopedic specialist? I think I may call the clinic we're going to on Tuesday
now.
I'm furious at our (ex-)vet right now. There's no way I could ever take our
girl there again.
Thank you for mentioning it.
>René
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