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Dave

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:23 am
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I just purchased a male chocolate lab from allegeheny ridge kennel
www.puppydogweb.com/kennels/labs_alegehenyridge.htm please check his site,
nowhere does it mention limited registration!
for $750. everything went well until I wanted to fill out the AKC
registration form. The breeder had checked off limited registration.
I had no idea that this even existed. So I immediatly called him. He said
thats how he sells his puppy's.I told him he never mentioned anything about
it to me.
I told him I wanted to possibly do dog shows if the dog showed potential &
possibly breed him,that's why I was purchasing a AKC dog with papers.
He wants $500 more to remove the limited registration.I told him I wouldn't
of bought the dog from him for$1250. I then asked if he would take the puppy
back &
refund my $750(this is all in the same day I took the puppy home)he said no!
I told him I didn't think It was fair to me,that he decieved me & wasn't
even willing to refund my money. So I called him again & said he's leaving
me no choice but to take him to court.He then said I was threating
him.Finally he said I could return the dog on sat. after christmas.Now on
XMAS eve he calls my wife & says he decieded not to take the dog back(I've
had the pup for 4 days now) I told him i will see him in court.I called akc
& they said he should have explained the limited registration to me & had me
sign a bill of sale stating I was aware of limited registration.
which I did not.Believe me the last thing I want is to go to court.I tried
to be reasonably but he won't budge. If that's how he sells his puppy's
fine, but I think the customer should be told. Buyer's beware don't let this
happen to you. If anyone has any advice plese reply.I really love the puppy
& really want to keep him, but I had certain plans for his development &
training, but it would all be in vain if I can't breed him or enter him in
conformation shows.
DON'T DO BUSSINESS WITH ALEGEHENY RIDGE LABRADORS!!!
PLEASE HELP!!!

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:23 am
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"Dave" <MRFIXIT666 RemoveThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
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> I just purchased a male chocolate lab from allegeheny ridge kennel
> www.puppydogweb.com/kennels/labs_alegehenyridge.htm please check his site,
> nowhere does it mention limited registration!
> for $750. everything went well until I wanted to fill out the AKC
> registration form. The breeder had checked off limited registration.
> I had no idea that this even existed. So I immediatly called him. He said
> thats how he sells his puppy's.I told him he never mentioned anything
about
> it to me.
> I told him I wanted to possibly do dog shows if the dog showed potential &
> possibly breed him,that's why I was purchasing a AKC dog with papers.
> He wants $500 more to remove the limited registration.I told him I
wouldn't
> of bought the dog from him for$1250. I then asked if he would take the
puppy
> back &
> refund my $750(this is all in the same day I took the puppy home)he said
no!
> I told him I didn't think It was fair to me,that he decieved me & wasn't
> even willing to refund my money. So I called him again & said he's leaving
> me no choice but to take him to court.He then said I was threating
> him.Finally he said I could return the dog on sat. after christmas.Now on
> XMAS eve he calls my wife & says he decieded not to take the dog back(I've
> had the pup for 4 days now) I told him i will see him in court.I called
akc
> & they said he should have explained the limited registration to me & had
me
> sign a bill of sale stating I was aware of limited registration.
> which I did not.Believe me the last thing I want is to go to court.I tried
> to be reasonably but he won't budge. If that's how he sells his puppy's
> fine, but I think the customer should be told. Buyer's beware don't let
this
> happen to you. If anyone has any advice plese reply.I really love the
puppy
> & really want to keep him, but I had certain plans for his development &
> training, but it would all be in vain if I can't breed him or enter him in
> conformation shows.
> DON'T DO BUSSINESS WITH ALEGEHENY RIDGE LABRADORS!!!
> PLEASE HELP!!!

I think, and may be wrong, that limited registration can be upgraded to full
registration later on. The conformation people here can answer this better
than I can but I'd think that as long as he's intact, you should be able to
enter him into conformation trials. If he wins a ribbon then you can go
back to the breeder with the ribbon and demand the registration be upgraded
so you can continue his show career.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:39 am
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Sue the bastard.

"Dave" <MRFIXIT666 RemoveThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
news:t6qGb.33050$PD1.7213@news02.roc.ny...
> I just purchased a male chocolate lab from allegeheny ridge
kennel
> www.puppydogweb.com/kennels/labs_alegehenyridge.htm please check
his site,
> nowhere does it mention limited registration!
> for $750. everything went well until I wanted to fill out the
AKC
> registration form. The breeder had checked off limited
registration.
> I had no idea that this even existed. So I immediatly called
him. He said
> thats how he sells his puppy's.I told him he never mentioned
anything about
> it to me.
> I told him I wanted to possibly do dog shows if the dog showed
potential &
> possibly breed him,that's why I was purchasing a AKC dog with
papers.
> He wants $500 more to remove the limited registration.I told him
I wouldn't
> of bought the dog from him for$1250. I then asked if he would
take the puppy
> back &
> refund my $750(this is all in the same day I took the puppy
home)he said no!
> I told him I didn't think It was fair to me,that he decieved me
& wasn't
> even willing to refund my money. So I called him again & said
he's leaving
> me no choice but to take him to court.He then said I was
threating
> him.Finally he said I could return the dog on sat. after
christmas.Now on
> XMAS eve he calls my wife & says he decieded not to take the dog
back(I've
> had the pup for 4 days now) I told him i will see him in court.I
called akc
> & they said he should have explained the limited registration to
me & had me
> sign a bill of sale stating I was aware of limited registration.
> which I did not.Believe me the last thing I want is to go to
court.I tried
> to be reasonably but he won't budge. If that's how he sells his
puppy's
> fine, but I think the customer should be told. Buyer's beware
don't let this
> happen to you. If anyone has any advice plese reply.I really
love the puppy
> & really want to keep him, but I had certain plans for his
development &
> training, but it would all be in vain if I can't breed him or
enter him in
> conformation shows.
> DON'T DO BUSSINESS WITH ALEGEHENY RIDGE LABRADORS!!!
> PLEASE HELP!!!
>
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 2:00 am
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"Dave" <MRFIXIT666 RemoveThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
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> I just purchased a male chocolate lab from allegeheny ridge kennel
> www.puppydogweb.com/kennels/labs_alegehenyridge.htm please check his site,
> nowhere does it mention limited registration!
> for $750. everything went well until I wanted to fill out the AKC
> registration form. The breeder had checked off limited registration.
> I had no idea that this even existed. So I immediatly called him. He said
> thats how he sells his puppy's.I told him he never mentioned anything
about
> it to me.
> I told him I wanted to possibly do dog shows if the dog showed potential &
> possibly breed him,that's why I was purchasing a AKC dog with papers.
> He wants $500 more to remove the limited registration.I told him I
wouldn't
> of bought the dog from him for$1250. I then asked if he would take the
puppy
> back &
> refund my $750(this is all in the same day I took the puppy home)he said
no!
> I told him I didn't think It was fair to me,that he decieved me & wasn't
> even willing to refund my money. So I called him again & said he's leaving
> me no choice but to take him to court.He then said I was threating
> him.Finally he said I could return the dog on sat. after christmas.Now on
> XMAS eve he calls my wife & says he decieded not to take the dog back(I've
> had the pup for 4 days now) I told him i will see him in court.I called
akc
> & they said he should have explained the limited registration to me & had
me
> sign a bill of sale stating I was aware of limited registration.
> which I did not.Believe me the last thing I want is to go to court.I tried
> to be reasonably but he won't budge. If that's how he sells his puppy's
> fine, but I think the customer should be told. Buyer's beware don't let
this
> happen to you. If anyone has any advice plese reply.I really love the
puppy
> & really want to keep him, but I had certain plans for his development &
> training, but it would all be in vain if I can't breed him or enter him in
> conformation shows.
> DON'T DO BUSSINESS WITH ALEGEHENY RIDGE LABRADORS!!!
> PLEASE HELP!!!
>
>

Dave
As I understand it, nobody can actually "charge" anyone for AKC papers -
which he is obviously trying to do. The AKC "owns" the registration papers
and they cannot be "sold" by the breeder.
Contact AKC and explain everything in full.
Sorry to hear of your trouble. It's too bad that the breeder didn't make you
aware of this in the first place.
By the way, did you actually "tell" him you were looking for a show and
possible breeding dog before purchase?
Most responsible breeders do in fact sell puppies on a limited reg. if they
feel they would not measure up as quality examples of their breed and on the
other hand, most breeders are thrilled when someone comes along and is
willing to show one of their pups.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 2:58 am
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"Dave" <MRFIXIT666 DeleteThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
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> To be honest I didn't tell him anything. I figured It's my dog & I'll do
> what I like. Or so I thought.
> Here's a pic of the pup ( BOSCO )


You would have done much better to be open and honest with the breeder -
although he should have told you about limited registration, and been much
better about screening and educating prospective owners.
I would have taken the puppy back from you as soon as I could get my hands
on him - I would never want the puppy in that situation.

Not all pups in a litter, even when both parents are Champions, are going to
be of a quality to be champions.
Out of my boys last litter, 3 out of five will probably be champions, and
that's considered noteworthy. I have never sold a dog I new to be
show-quality to a pet home, I have always had enough homes where I knew the
owners were serious about showing (usually with proven track records).
If he sold you the dog as a pet, especially a very competitive breed like
labs, unless you are doing it to gain experience, you might want to re-think
it. Or work with your breeder and have him re-evaluate the pup at 6 months
or so to see if it is likly to have a chance.

Well what about breeding? First, a bitch owner has a huge selection of studs
to choose from - unless yours is outstanding, why would they breed to your
dog? There are thousans of nice labs out there.
What health clearances would you require of the bitch and how would you
ensure she was of good enough quality to justify producing more labs? What
puppy placement policies? What would you do as a stud owner to ensure that
you are contributing to the vast numbers of labs in rescue? There are a lot
of purebred labs dying in shelters, and we are seeing more and more
aggressive (especially dog-aggressive) and hyper BYB labs. You are
creating new lives - you have a responsiblity to see those dogs don't
suffer, either through genetic health, temperment, or irresponsible
ownership.

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"Dave" <MRFIXIT666 DeleteThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
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> To be honest I didn't tell him anything. I figured It's my dog & I'll do
> what I like. Or so I thought.
> Here's a pic of the pup ( BOSCO )

You're scuzzy, and you found the scuzzy quality of breeder who would sell to
you. You both deserve each other. Sadly, the innocent one (the puppy) is
likely the one to suffer.

Christy
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 4:24 am
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Seems to me you were just as non forthcoming, so you deserve each other.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 5:55 am
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"Dave" <MRFIXIT666 DeleteThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
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> To be honest I didn't tell him anything. I figured It's my dog & I'll do
> what I like. Or so I thought.


And that is of course your right Dave. However, "if" I feel you had done
your homework properly, you would have been armed well when setting out on
your journey to find a responsible breeder and might have not chosen the one
you did. You would have known to be "very" upfront in what you were seeking
and would have tons of questions to ask of them. And if any were not
answered to your satisfaction, you would have moved on.
I did have a look at their site and they do "say" they do "some" of the
things responsible breeders do. However, I see no pictures of finished
champions they have and no really good pics of their dogs as would a
responsible and proud breeder have probably included in a website. Careful
screening by "their" vet for genetic problems also wouldn't cut it with me.
I'd have asked to see Certificates and results from the appropriate
authorities - not just a vet's say-so. If it were me I would not have chosen
this breeder without a whole lot more info than I see on their web page. Not
to say they don't have some finished dogs of note but I'm just going by a
first impression. As you say, they also don't mention anything about "how"
their show and/or pet quality puppies are sold.
Did you not receive a written contract before plonking down your money -
which should have mentioned limited registration?
Did "they" not ask you what you intended to do with your puppy and whether
or not you wanted a show dog or pet? Responsible breeders would have.
Did they not describe the puppies you saw as to whether they were possible
show or pet puppies?
Responsible breeders would have.
It seems as though you were as much at fault as they. They for not spelling
EVERYTHING out properly and in writing and you for not being upfront as to
exactly what type of dog you sought.
Also I doubt you'd find a top show/breeding dog from a responsible breeder
for only $750 anywhere. That's a fair price for a pet quality puppy however.
When anyone decides to set themselves up as a breeder, they need to do tons
of homework, connect with a responsible breeder with a known history in the
breed to mentor them, take their advice on how to choose the correct puppy,
show that puppy to it's championship and maybe a hunting title also, join
breed clubs, subscribe to magazines, learn all they can about breed
pedigrees, and if after that, they decide honestly, that their dog might be
breeding quality, know how to pick exactly the right stud dog for their
bitch and know enough to understand that breeding dogs isn't a profitable
venture. It's full of heartache, sleepless nights, tragic losses and a
terrible drain on one's bank account.
If one starts out with a Stud dog, the same applies except the owner had
better understand that unless the dog turns out to be a "really" superior
example of his breed, nobody with a quality bitch will seek his stud
services. That means finding the best puppy from top quality stock, being
able to afford such a dog, showing it, advertising it and keeping it in the
public eye. If your dog is not a top example of his breed, the bitches
brought to you - if any, are also not going to be quality dogs - hence just
another litter of irresponsibly bred dogs.
Responsible and irresponsible breeders can both gain some noteriety and a
"name" for themselves. It's all according what kind of a "name" you wish to
gain for yourself that counts as to whether or not you breed for all the
wrong reasons or for the good of the breed.
Hundreds and thousands of Labs are now put to death each year because of
those who didn't care.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 8:45 am
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:57:51 -0500 Rick Pikul <rwpikul.RemoveThis@idirect.com> whittled these words:

> This is a case where you should check local laws: Anywhere in
> Canada the breeder would have had to take the puppy back, (the shortest
> back out time on a contract here is 3 days). Most, if not all, US states
> have similar laws.

What is that law in Canada? Is it in with the rest of the purebred dog
statutes or is it general contract law? Most states in the US do not have
any back out time in regard to puppy purchases. There are a few, very
specific, contract types that have something like a 3 day back out. These
are primarily in home sales contracts, and two or three others that have a
high level of abuse. This issue is indeed commonly misunderstood. Plenty
of contract signers have ended up committed even though they did know the
contract terms because they counted on that non-existent back out period.


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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 10:17 am
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Everyone please understand, This is my first pure bred dog with paperwork.
I'm going to try & train him to the best of my ability & never had plans on
breeding or showing the dog. But if somehow he showed excellent ability I
would look into it further, But with the paperwork I recieved I wouldn't be
able to do anything with him.
I was never decietful with the breeder, My problem is I don't have any
choice with the limited reg. I just feel as he should have stated the terms
to me,How am I wrong in wanting that?OF the two of us he was the only one
who was sure that it even existed.Why didn't he ask me if I ever wanted to
go to dog shows or breed.He is the one with 11 years experience.Why are some
people trying to make me out to be the bad guy.
The same day I took the pup home I tried to straighten out with the
breeder.As some of you stated you gladly would have taken the dog back. I
even offerered to meet him half way on the $500 extra he wanted & offered
him another $250 just to put it to rest.Believe me this isn't some elaborate
scheeme I have of buying puppy's for $750 & driving 200 mi.each way to get
him only to want a refund or the full paperwork I should hav gotten!
Limited registration is all new to me, it was introduced in 1990 I think
by the AKC. Why would anyone want a dog with AKC papers that they never
could do anything with?
to be in dog shows you need AKC papers.
to breed your dog you need AKC papers.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 10:17 am
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In article <TOyGb.31641$t31.6006@news01.roc.ny>,
Dave <MRFIXIT666 RemoveThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote:
>But with the paperwork I recieved I wouldn't be
>able to do anything with him.

Not true. You can do everything with him that you'd be able
to do with a full registration, except conformation
showing.

Most people put less effort into researching and buying a
dog than they do into researching and buying a car. It
sounds like you may have made that same mistake. The dog is
the same dog regardless of type of registration; love him
and provide him a good home.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 10:28 am
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What makes me scuzzy, because I was unaware that limited registration even
existed? As I stated I really had no plans on anything unless the puppy
excells in training &
has natural ability. I was just going to see how things turned out. Now I
simply have no choice. Thats all I want is choice.
And since were calling each other names without knowing each other.
YOUR A SMELLY CUNT!!!
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> "Dave" <MRFIXIT666 RemoveThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
> news:tQrGb.31610$nA7.7985@news01.roc.ny...
> > To be honest I didn't tell him anything. I figured It's my dog & I'll do
> > what I like. Or so I thought.
> > Here's a pic of the pup ( BOSCO )
>
> You're scuzzy, and you found the scuzzy quality of breeder who would sell
to
> you. You both deserve each other. Sadly, the innocent one (the puppy) is
> likely the one to suffer.
>
> Christy
>
>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 10:38 am
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How can someone say they have plans on breeding a puppy without seeing his
ability
or health issues as he develops.
I think It would be even worse to plan on breeding a puppy who possibly has
a gentic defect. Or a dog with no no natural ability.
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>
>
>
> "Dave" <MRFIXIT666 RemoveThis @FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
> news:tQrGb.31610$nA7.7985@news01.roc.ny...
> > To be honest I didn't tell him anything. I figured It's my dog & I'll do
> > what I like. Or so I thought.
> > Here's a pic of the pup ( BOSCO )
>
>
> You would have done much better to be open and honest with the breeder -
> although he should have told you about limited registration, and been much
> better about screening and educating prospective owners.
> I would have taken the puppy back from you as soon as I could get my hands
> on him - I would never want the puppy in that situation.
>
> Not all pups in a litter, even when both parents are Champions, are going
to
> be of a quality to be champions.
> Out of my boys last litter, 3 out of five will probably be champions, and
> that's considered noteworthy. I have never sold a dog I new to be
> show-quality to a pet home, I have always had enough homes where I knew
the
> owners were serious about showing (usually with proven track records).
> If he sold you the dog as a pet, especially a very competitive breed like
> labs, unless you are doing it to gain experience, you might want to
re-think
> it. Or work with your breeder and have him re-evaluate the pup at 6
months
> or so to see if it is likly to have a chance.
>
> Well what about breeding? First, a bitch owner has a huge selection of
studs
> to choose from - unless yours is outstanding, why would they breed to your
> dog? There are thousans of nice labs out there.
> What health clearances would you require of the bitch and how would you
> ensure she was of good enough quality to justify producing more labs? What
> puppy placement policies? What would you do as a stud owner to ensure
that
> you are contributing to the vast numbers of labs in rescue? There are a
lot
> of purebred labs dying in shelters, and we are seeing more and more
> aggressive (especially dog-aggressive) and hyper BYB labs. You are
> creating new lives - you have a responsiblity to see those dogs don't
> suffer, either through genetic health, temperment, or irresponsible
> ownership.
>
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> Melissa S. Frye
> Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:39 am
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"Dave" <MRFIXIT666.RemoveThis@FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote in message
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> How can someone say they have plans on breeding a puppy without seeing his
> ability
> or health issues as he develops.
> I think It would be even worse to plan on breeding a puppy who possibly
has
> a gentic defect. Or a dog with no no natural ability.


Exactly. But in any given litter I would only consider certain ones as
breeding possibilities. Of those, they then have to clear heath
certificatations, show natural ability and have suitable conformation. Only
one they have done that will they be bred. But there are pups that don't
make the cut at the 8 week stage.

For example Ch. Hunter SH (senior hunter, working on his master) MX MXJ (two
high level agility titles) OFA exc (exc. hips_ Elbows normal (great elbow
structure) Eyes CERFed clear, wins and AOM at nationals is a male that will
get breed.

I placed his sister as a pet. She didn't have as outgoing attitude and had a
couple undesirable structural charateristics. It would have been wrong f me
to sell her as a how prospect or potential breeding prospect because I felt
she didn't have the potential to finish in the breed ring.

I would never sell a dog not on a limited registration to ensure that anyone
breeding out of my lines takes it as seriously as I do.

I treasure people who are serious and come to me wanting a show dog. I love
to get my puppies in homes where they will be shown. I would be horrified if
I sold someone a dog that I didn't consider suitable for breeding, and they
careless started breeding, or started showing a dog that was clearly not
competetive.

Why didn't you tell the breeder you were interested in showing? That way
they could have steered you to a suitable dog (and believe me you can tell a
lot in a 8-12 week old), helped you get started etc.

You really needed to educate yourself more before this purchase.
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> Everyone please understand, This is my first pure bred dog with
paperwork.
> I'm going to try & train him to the best of my ability & never had plans
on
> breeding or showing the dog.

Then why are you upset about limited registration? Did you suddenly change
your mnd when you go thim home?

> But if somehow he showed excellent ability I
> would look into it further, But with the paperwork I recieved I wouldn't
be
> able to do anything with him.

You can do hunt tests, field trials, NAHRA hunt tests, obedience, agility.

> I was never decietful with the breeder, My problem is I don't have any
> choice with the limited reg. I just feel as he should have stated the
terms
> to me,How am I wrong in wanting that?

You should have found out about it if you did ANY research into what a
responsible breeder does. "But nobody told!!"
Your breder should have explained it to you yes, as I do to all my puppy
buyers. But you have a responsibility here too! You clearly can use a
computer - google has a lot of informative sites for resposible breeding.

How many breeders did you talk to that had puppies? What were your criteria
for a breeder and for the parents fo the puppy?

>OF the two of us he was the only one
> who was sure that it even existed.Why didn't he ask me if I ever wanted to
> go to dog shows or breed.He is the one with 11 years experience.Why are
some
> people trying to make me out to be the bad guy.

He should have but you should have told him your plans too. Why didn't you
research before you made this purchase? If you make an impulse buy without
finding out ANY information, you are likely to not get what you want.

Thisis a living BEING. It's a 14 year committment (hopefully). That
deserves more than typing laborador puppies into google and asking if they
have a puppy ready now.

You aren't innocent here, and neither is the breeder.

> The same day I took the pup home I tried to straighten out with the
> breeder.As some of you stated you gladly would have taken the dog back.

I never want a puppy of mine in a BYB situation, or one where the buyer
thinks he got ripped off - I wdon't want him looking at the puppy as
"damaged goods".

But if you got a pup from me it would have been on a spay/neuter contract
requiring that clearly.

>I
> even offerered to meet him half way on the $500 extra he wanted & offered
> him another $250 just to put it to rest.

I would never have given you full registartion though. I would not have
sold you another puppy either. As much damage is done to the lab breed by
ignorance as by greed.


>Believe me this isn't some elaborate
> scheeme I have of buying puppy's for $750 & driving 200 mi.each way to get
> him only to want a refund or the full paperwork I should hav gotten!

No you should have gotten a puppy on limited registaration unless you
discussed your plans to breed/show with the breeder.
All pets puppies should be soldon limited registration.
And you would be very very unlikely to get a good show/field trial prospect
for $750. They start over $1000 and go up from there.

> Limited registration is all new to me, it was introduced in 1990 I think
> by the AKC. Why would anyone want a dog with AKC papers that they never
> could do anything with?

Because some people see a puppy as having worth beyond it's ability to
reproduce???

I repeat. You can do agility, obedience, retriever hunt tests, Nahra hunt
tests and field trials. Everythign EXCEPT conformation.

> to be in dog shows you need AKC papers.

Yes you do. But most likely a dog sold as a pet isn't show quality anyway.
You would be hapling other people finish their CH. and adding to their dogs
defeated, but that's about all.

> to breed your dog you need AKC papers.

Which is why dogs that don't appear to meet the standard tightly as puppies
are sold on limited registration. So they won't be irresponsibly breed -
only a percentage of dogs from any given litter should be breed.

You really shouldn't be thinking about breeding if you don't know what
limited registration is - to me that's an indication you haven't done your
homework, and breeding takes a ton of homework to do right. It's not about
just randomly breeding any two purebred dogs. If you didn't do your
research before you bought, why should you do it before you bred?

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