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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:27 pm
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Quite apart from the super bug issue
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm
where antibiotic use has lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate
bacteria there is another problem. One of direct human toxicity.
BOVATEC and AVATEC are animal antibiotics (coccidiostats), active
constituant LASALOCID SODIUM and they are recognized HEART POISONS. Don't
ever think you will be prescribed this substance by your doctor. It is one
of a group of antibiotics (IONOPHORES) given to animals and fowl in feed,
all of them highly cardio-toxic to humans. These antibiotics when fed to
animals and fowl leave residues in meat, milk and eggs. The concentration
of these residues is often dangerously high. See
http://www.freewebs.com/lasalocid
Though the report is several years old and there have been assurances that
this is no longer a problem a very recent experiment has shown that this
is not the case. It has been shown by the author of the report that
certain dairy products still present a real danger. Interestingly the
products sampled were Organic and Soil Association stamped.
It is time these antibiotics were withdrawn.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:29 pm
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"Dead Paul" <dead_paul DeleteThis @no.reply> wrote in message
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> Quite apart from the super bug issue
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm
> where antibiotic use has lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate
> bacteria there is another problem. One of direct human toxicity.
therefore they aren't used to treat bacteria in humans, therefore resistance
to these compounds isn't going to create bacteria resistant to drugs used to
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:46 pm
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:27:41 +0000, Dead Paul <dead_paul.RemoveThis@no.reply>
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>Quite apart from the super bug issue
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm
>where antibiotic use has lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate
>bacteria there is another problem. One of direct human toxicity.
>
>BOVATEC and AVATEC are animal antibiotics (coccidiostats), active
>constituant LASALOCID SODIUM and they are recognized HEART POISONS. Don't
>ever think you will be prescribed this substance by your doctor. It is one
>of a group of antibiotics (IONOPHORES) given to animals and fowl in feed,
>all of them highly cardio-toxic to humans. These antibiotics when fed to
>animals and fowl leave residues in meat, milk and eggs. The concentration
>of these residues is often dangerously high. See
>http://www.freewebs.com/lasalocid
>
>Though the report is several years old and there have been assurances that
>this is no longer a problem a very recent experiment has shown that this
>is not the case. It has been shown by the author of the report that
>certain dairy products still present a real danger. Interestingly the
>products sampled were Organic and Soil Association stamped.
>
>It is time these antibiotics were withdrawn.
Frankenstein farming habits should be stopped.
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The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing
1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:59 pm
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:29:02 +0000, Jim Webster wrote:
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> "Dead Paul" <dead_paul.RemoveThis@no.reply> wrote in message
> news:emr4b9$9jh$1@news.datemas.de...
>> Quite apart from the super bug issue
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm where antibiotic use has
>> lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate bacteria there is another
>> problem. One of direct human toxicity.
>
> therefore they aren't used to treat bacteria in humans, therefore
> resistance to these compounds isn't going to create bacteria resistant to
> drugs used to treat humans, so no superbug issue
This class of drug is NEVER prescribed to humans. It is simply FAR TOO
TOXIC for human use. But the toxic residues show up in meat, dairy and
fowl at dangerous concentrations.
>
> Jim Webster
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:59 pm
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:59:05 +0000, Dead Paul <dead_paul.RemoveThis@no.reply>
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>On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:29:02 +0000, Jim Webster wrote:
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>> "Dead Paul" <dead_paul.RemoveThis@no.reply> wrote in message
>> news:emr4b9$9jh$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> Quite apart from the super bug issue
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm where antibiotic use has
>>> lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate bacteria there is another
>>> problem. One of direct human toxicity.
>>
>> therefore they aren't used to treat bacteria in humans, therefore
>> resistance to these compounds isn't going to create bacteria resistant to
>> drugs used to treat humans, so no superbug issue
>
>This class of drug is NEVER prescribed to humans. It is simply FAR TOO
>TOXIC for human use. But the toxic residues show up in meat, dairy and
>fowl at dangerous concentrations.
>
Hence into humans. Webster is well aware of this, as an advocate for
factory farming!
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The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing
1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:59 pm
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"Dead Paul" <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:29:02 +0000, Jim Webster wrote:
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>>
>> "Dead Paul" <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> wrote in message
>> news:emr4b9$9jh$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> Quite apart from the super bug issue
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm where antibiotic use has
>>> lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate bacteria there is another
>>> problem. One of direct human toxicity.
>>
>> therefore they aren't used to treat bacteria in humans, therefore
>> resistance to these compounds isn't going to create bacteria resistant to
>> drugs used to treat humans, so no superbug issue
>
> This class of drug is NEVER prescribed to humans. It is simply FAR TOO
> TOXIC for human use. But the toxic residues show up in meat, dairy and
> fowl at dangerous concentrations.
and figures for how many dead?
Also you have somehow ignored the question raised about grain treatment
products
see other thread
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:38 pm
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Dead Paul <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> writes
>This class of drug is NEVER prescribed to humans. It is simply FAR TOO
>TOXIC for human use.
Er, no, its just too ineffective.
Its used in cattle because its NOT absorbed from the gut and so doesn't
get into the meat.
It may (or may not, I don't know) we toxic when injected intravenously.
So best not to inject it into your blood.
>But the toxic residues show up in meat, dairy and
>fowl at dangerous concentrations.
Only if you eat their shit.
Personally I avoid this (for other reasons).
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:56 pm
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:38:32 +0000, Oz <Oz.RemoveThis@farmeroz.port995.com>
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>Dead Paul <dead_paul.RemoveThis@no.reply> writes
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>>This class of drug is NEVER prescribed to humans. It is simply FAR TOO
>>TOXIC for human use.
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>Er, no, its just too ineffective.
>
>Its used in cattle because its NOT absorbed from the gut and so doesn't
>get into the meat.
It doesn't matter where it's absorbed dodo. If it's absorbed anywhere
on the animal, it's in the meat. Go veggie and avoid ending up like
yourself!
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The logic some people use for not attending church, is used to avoid washing
1.I was forced to as a child.
2.People who make soap are only after your money.
3.I wash on special occasions like Christmas and Easter.
4.People who wash are hypocrites-they think they are cleaner than everyone else.
5.There are so many different kinds of soap,I can't decide which one is best.
6.I used to wash, but it got boring so I stopped.
7.None of my friends wash.
8.The bathroom is never warm enough in the winter or cool enough in the summer.
9.I'll start washing when I get older and dirtier.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:43 pm
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:59:31 +0000, Jim Webster wrote:
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> "Dead Paul" <dead_paul DeleteThis @no.reply> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:29:02 +0000, Jim Webster wrote:
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>>
>>> "Dead Paul" <dead_paul DeleteThis @no.reply> wrote in message
>>> news:emr4b9$9jh$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>> Quite apart from the super bug issue
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm where antibiotic use has
>>>> lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate bacteria there is
>>>> another problem. One of direct human toxicity.
>>>
>>> therefore they aren't used to treat bacteria in humans, therefore
>>> resistance to these compounds isn't going to create bacteria resistant
>>> to drugs used to treat humans, so no superbug issue
>>
>> This class of drug is NEVER prescribed to humans. It is simply FAR TOO
>> TOXIC for human use. But the toxic residues show up in meat, dairy and
>> fowl at dangerous concentrations.
>
> and figures for how many dead?
Probably in the thousands.
BBC National Radio News on 17 Feb 2004 reported that there is an atrial
fibrillation epidemic which is estimated to cost the UK 1% of its annual
national healthcare budget and that it has been estimated that 1in 10 over
65's and that 1 in 100 people overall suffer with atrial fibrillation.
1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
In 60 million that's 600,000 with AF. That's an epidemic.
I am convinced that it is either caused or greatly exacerbated by
lasalocid or monensin or one of the other ionophores residue found in food.
The Guardian (UK) June 4, 2001 Special report - what's wrong with our food?
Says lasalocid can cause heart damage. How many people have been damaged
by this poison? Is it 600,000?
> Also you have somehow ignored the question raised about grain treatment
> products
I have no desire to discuss grain treatment.
That is an absurd fork to this discussion.
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> see other thread
>
> Jim Webster
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:03 pm
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"Dead Paul" <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:59:31 +0000, Jim Webster wrote:
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>> and figures for how many dead?
>
> Probably in the thousands.
>
> BBC National Radio News on 17 Feb 2004 reported that there is an atrial
> fibrillation epidemic which is estimated to cost the UK 1% of its annual
> national healthcare budget and that it has been estimated that 1in 10 over
> 65's and that 1 in 100 people overall suffer with atrial fibrillation.
>
>
> 1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
>
and this has altered how much since the product was first used, about thirty
years ago from memory?
>
>> Also you have somehow ignored the question raised about grain treatment
>> products
>
> I have no desire to discuss grain treatment.
so you are quite happy for vegetarians to have their food poisoned by the
use of such toxic compounds
fair enough
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Hi all
I agree - the use of antibiotics in animal husbandry is way out of
proportion.
The animals we eat should not be treated as commodities but as animals - but
when humans are managed by HR ( ie Human Resources), the commodisation (made
up word) of our sleves, our fellow creatures and our planet is the issue.
However that is perhaps for another newsgroup- this is about birdwatching.
I saw a lovely group of fieldfares yesterday, 75 ish feeding on the
hawthorns near our house - the best view I had in our Pennine village.
Mark
PS
Happy Christmas all
"Dead Paul" <dead_paul.TakeThisOut@no.reply> wrote in message
news:emr4b9$9jh$1@news.datemas.de...
> Quite apart from the super bug issue
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6202679.stm
> where antibiotic use has lead to the creation of difficult to eradicate
> bacteria there is another problem. One of direct human toxicity.
>
> BOVATEC and AVATEC are animal antibiotics (coccidiostats), active
> constituant LASALOCID SODIUM and they are recognized HEART POISONS. Don't
> ever think you will be prescribed this substance by your doctor. It is one
> of a group of antibiotics (IONOPHORES) given to animals and fowl in feed,
> all of them highly cardio-toxic to humans. These antibiotics when fed to
> animals and fowl leave residues in meat, milk and eggs. The concentration
> of these residues is often dangerously high. See
> http://www.freewebs.com/lasalocid
>
> Though the report is several years old and there have been assurances that
> this is no longer a problem a very recent experiment has shown that this
> is not the case. It has been shown by the author of the report that
> certain dairy products still present a real danger. Interestingly the
> products sampled were Organic and Soil Association stamped.
>
> It is time these antibiotics were withdrawn.
>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:19 am
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Dead Paul <dead_paul.RemoveThis@no.reply> writes
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>1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
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>In 60 million that's 600,000 with AF. That's an epidemic.
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>I am convinced that it is either caused or greatly exacerbated by
>lasalocid or monensin or one of the other ionophores residue found in food.
Well you are almost certainly wrong. Levels in europe should have peaked
and then dropped reflecting the use and cessation, whilst in the us and
elsewhere it should continue to rise.
I don't think this has happened.
NB FYI the main reason why monesin worked was that it hugely reduced
methane emission from cattle, thus resulting in higher energy retained
in the food.
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MIJBirder <mfxsexe DeleteThis @tisxcali.cxo.uk> writes
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>I agree - the use of antibiotics in animal husbandry is way out of
>proportion.
Improbable. In the eu most meat animals never see an antibiotic in their
lives.
>The animals we eat should not be treated as commodities but as animals -
That's how it is done, naturally.
>but
>when humans are managed by HR ( ie Human Resources), the commodisation (made
>up word) of our sleves, our fellow creatures and our planet is the issue.
??
>I saw a lovely group of fieldfares yesterday, 75 ish feeding on the
>hawthorns near our house - the best view I had in our Pennine village.
Since the switch from livestock to arable most of the hedges have gone
or become 'well managed'. If you want good hedgerows, farm livestock.
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> NB FYI the main reason why monesin worked was that it hugely reduced
> methane emission from cattle,
Good for the environment then? :-)
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:19:21 +0000, Oz wrote:
> Dead Paul <dead_paul RemoveThis @no.reply> writes
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>>1 in 100 people suffer with atrial fibrillation in the UK.
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>>In 60 million that's 600,000 with AF. That's an epidemic.
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>>I am convinced that it is either caused or greatly exacerbated by
>>lasalocid or monensin or one of the other ionophores residue found in
>>food.
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> Well you are almost certainly wrong. Levels in europe should have peaked
> and then dropped reflecting the use and cessation,
there is no cessation of use in the eu.
> whilst in the us and
> elsewhere it should continue to rise.
>
> I don't think this has happened.
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