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Steve Crane wrote:
>I've put a link below - but in case it doesn't work, simple go to
>www.hillspet.com and look for Prescription Diet j/d.

This is an excellent example of unethical business behavior.

Steve, if you were an upstanding guy you'd include a
disclaimer that you work for the company when you post
pointers to your products. You're not just some customer -
they pay your salary. How hard is it, really, to include
"Disclaimer: I work for Hills" when you post about your
products?
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The bad thing with arthritis is that you either treat the inflamation with
prednisone or you treat it with NSaids but you can not use both. Since
she's been on the prednisone so long for Addisons then I'm sure taking her
off it is out of the question.

If I were in your position I would ask my vet about increasing the
prednisone dose enough to allow her some relief. Predinisone long term in
high doses is not recommended but at this stage in her life it's more a
quality of life and keeping her comfortable. You may be able to get away
with alternating days on the dose or even a high dose one day and a lower
dose the other.

I had the same issues with Barney when his mast cell cancer invaded his
mouth. We had to stop the NSaids for the arthritis but he did OK on the
high doses of prednisone to treat the cancer but as we decreased the pred
his arthritis became more painful for him. Towards the end the prednisone
wasn't working as well as we hoped with the cancer so we put him back on his
Deramax and I just kept him comfortable as could be until he passed away.

Good luck
Celeste



"Monroe" wrote in message

> Thanks. Spike has been on a combined MSM/Glucosamine/Chondroitin for
> a few years now. I'm a fairly skeptical sort but there was not
> question in helped. So much so that I started taking it and cut in
> half the med for my neck arthritis.
>
> Spike will soldier on as much as she can. An incredible being. And
> I'll do everything I can to help her out.
>
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:25:19 -0500, "HouseODogs"
> wrote:
>
>>Our 10 year old GSD/Malamute mix is getting around 1500 mg of
>>glucosamine/chondroitin every day and the vet recently switched him over
>>to
>>a liquid anti-inflammatory/pain medicine called Metacam. He seems to be
>>doing very well on it.
>>
>>I realize that you post said you are looking for links, but I just wanted
>>to
>>let you know what has worked well for our dog. I had one GSD who lived to
>>be 12 1/2 before we lost her to degenerative myelopathy and my other sweet
>>old GSD girl lasted until age 14, so we must be doing something right.
>>
>>Yours in GSDs and rescue,
>>
>>Lea
>>www.shepherdrescue.org
>>
>
> --
>
> Monroe
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Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article ,
> Steve Crane wrote:
> >I've put a link below - but in case it doesn't work, simple go to
> >www.hillspet.com and look for Prescription Diet j/d.
>
> This is an excellent example of unethical business behavior.
>
> Steve, if you were an upstanding guy you'd include a
> disclaimer that you work for the company when you post
> pointers to your products. You're not just some customer -
> they pay your salary. How hard is it, really, to include
> "Disclaimer: I work for Hills" when you post about your
> products?


Melinda - I post about once a month or so and make the usual legal
disclaimer. Most on the website know who I work for as I have never
hidden that fact from anyone. As I have often commented before - and
I'm sure you will recall - what I post here are my personal opinions -
not those of the company I work for. Posting on the NG's is not in my
job description anywhere. As I have noted before - if I list my
employment after every post, then it would be, could be, construed as
being the opinion / position of the company I work for - which it
isn't.

The OP asked for a non drug method of treating arthritis. What other
proven non drug method are you aware of that has clinical trials to
prove it works? To my knowledge there is no other non drug proven
treatment for arthritis in dogs that shuts down the inflammatory
process.

The disclaimer - While I have been employed by Hill's Pet Nutrition for
over 20 years, anything I post here is my opinion, and my opinion alone
and should never be construed as the position or opinion of the company
I work for.

Now Melinda - who is you work for now?
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Steve Crane wrote:
>Melinda - I post about once a month or so and make the usual legal
>disclaimer. Most on the website know who I work for as I have never
>hidden that fact from anyone.

What website? This Usenet newsgroup?

Newbies come through here all the time, and frankly, you're
not that memorable (for a long time I had a hard time
telling you and WalterNY apart - I knew you disagreed but I
couldn't remember which was which).

It's ethical business practice to disclose. It's also not
that much effort. You posted here for years before it came
out that you work for Hills. You almost always fail to
disclose when you discuss your products even now. You could
clean up your act, or not - your choice.

>Now Melinda - who is you work for now?

If I were talking about network equipment you'd know because
I'd tell you. It would be a firing offense not to - my
employer cares about business ethics and actively works at
not being exposed to accusations of unethical business
practice. You probably own our stock, if not directly then
through mutual funds or a 401K, and you should be happy that
our management is as diligent about ethics as it is. It
makes our stock more valuable, since it reduces our exposure
to lawsuits and criminal charges. I wonder about a company
that is not diligent about ethical behavior by its staff.
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Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article ,
> Steve Crane wrote:
> >Melinda - I post about once a month or so and make the usual legal
> >disclaimer. Most on the website know who I work for as I have never
> >hidden that fact from anyone.
>
> You posted here for years before it came out that you work for Hills.

That is simply false nonsense. You must have me confused *again* with
someone else.

> You almost always fail to disclose when you discuss your products even now. You
> could clean up your act, or not - your choice.

Sigh - No Melinda it is NOT my choice. As I commented before, but will
repeat again - if I were to append my employment to every post I make,
it would then be presumed that I was expressing the opinion or point of
view of the company I work for - which I am not. Any comments I make
here are my opinions and my opinions alone.
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In article ,
Steve Crane wrote:
>Sigh - No Melinda it is NOT my choice. As I commented before, but will
>repeat again - if I were to append my employment to every post I make,
>it would then be presumed that I was expressing the opinion or point of
>view of the company I work for - which I am not. Any comments I make
>here are my opinions and my opinions alone.

The way grown-ups handle it is that they say precisely that.
"I work for Hills but the opinions expressed here are my
own." The last few years I posted from a work account I
included a disclaimer just like that in my .sig.

I'm frequently surprised by how loose a grasp many people
have on business ethics, and this is one of those cases.
You work for Hills and you're recommending Hills products
while failing to disclose that you work for Hills. At a
company that gave a rat's ass about ethics you'd be fired on
the sport and escorted out the door by security personnel.
But a company that gave a rat's ass about their products
wouldn't hire someone innumerate to evaluate the research
literature, and if they don't care about their products then
they don't care about much.
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Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article ,
> Steve Crane wrote:
> >I've put a link below - but in case it doesn't work, simple go to
> >www.hillspet.com and look for Prescription Diet j/d.
>
> This is an excellent example of unethical business behavior.
>
> Steve, if you were an upstanding guy you'd include a
> disclaimer that you work for the company when you post
> pointers to your products. You're not just some customer -
> they pay your salary. How hard is it, really, to include
> "Disclaimer: I work for Hills" when you post about your
> products?
> --
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore RemoveThis @panix.com
>
> Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community.

Melinda, give it a rest. He's done nothing unethical. He's simply
pointing someone to more information that is likely to provide the OP
what they are looking for: help for their arthritic dog. You're simply
a Hill's Hater. In fact, you should proclaim your hatred for Hill's in
every one of your posts if you really want to be honest. It's honesty
a quality of ethics?
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Melinda Shore wrote:
>
> I'm frequently surprised by how loose a grasp many people
> have on business ethics, and this is one of those cases.
> You work for Hills and you're recommending Hills products
> while failing to disclose that you work for Hills. At a
> company that gave a rat's ass about ethics you'd be fired on
> the sport and escorted out the door by security personnel.
> But a company that gave a rat's ass about their products
> wouldn't hire someone innumerate to evaluate the research
> literature, and if they don't care about their products then
> they don't care about much.
> --

Melinda, do you consider it "ethical" to continually attempt to smear
or besmirch someone's reputation? You're the pot calling the kettle
black. If you were really honest, you would include in your sig the
fact that you hate Hill's and everything/everyone associated with
Hill's.
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shelly wrote:

>
> i take an even narrower view of it. i think if he's going to post to
> any dog health related group/list, he should include his employment
> disclaimer in a sig file, because when he's giving *any* kind of health
> related advice, his bias should be absolutely, 100% clear.
>

Actually, almost all of your views seem to be narrow-minded. Since you
are Melinda's acolyte, I figured it was only a matter of time before
you commented here. You two are making a mountain out of a molehill
and trying to create a controversy where none exists. As for your
notion that Steve's experience is "biased" because he works for a
company that you, too, hate, that's patently ridiculous and not based
in logic. Where are your critical thinking skills? What is it with
you leftists that makes you want to censor or "qualify" someone else's
opposing or experience? Both you and Melinda are very combative with
anyone who expresses a positive experience or opinion about Hill's.
How come?
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Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article ,
> gaubster2 DeleteThis @comcast.net wrote:
> >Melinda, do you consider it "ethical" to continually attempt to smear
> >or besmirch someone's reputation? You're the pot calling the kettle
> >black. If you were really honest, you would include in your sig the
> >fact that you hate Hill's and everything/everyone associated with
> >Hill's.
>
> Let's talk about why I hate Hills, okay? I'm always happy
> to do that, and I think I'm pretty precise in my
> criticisms.
>
> I dislike your feeds because of the results I've gotten when
> using them, and because my complaints have been echoed by a
> number of people here.

....and plenty more have responded with the positive results they've
seen. Yet you completely ignore those posts unless you want to attack
those people's opinions or experiences. In fact, you've attacked
Sharon because her office sells Hill's products and you completely
ridicule her clients' positive experiences.

I really think your company is
> scummy because when people complain about the food you
> attack them, because you and Steve have masked your
> association with the company while pimping your food in
> clear violation of basic business ethical guidelines,
> because Steve pulls his baffle-'em-with bullshit in response
> to reasonable questions (citing papers he pretty clearly
> doesn't understand and whose contents it's very likely he's
> misrepresenting) and when challenged he resorts to the
> stupidest assertions of authority I've ever seen, and on and
> on and on.

That's your OPINION more than anything. Just because you don't agree
with him, does that mean you should attempt to SMEAR him?? I'm not
aware of any Hill's employee attacking anyone who had a negative
experience with Science Diet and quite frankly, neither are you. I've
never seen you quote a reference to an actual post where that allegedly
happened. You simply make that kind of stuff up. As for reasonable
questions, you NEVER answer direct questions put to you. For instance,
WHAT YEAR did you allegedly feed Science Diet to your dogs and for how
long? I've asked you that question probably 30 times or more over the
last 2 years and you always sidestep it. How come? If you consider
that an attack, then you have a pretty warped sense of what constitutes
an "attack". You have no problem flaming someone who stands up to you
or disagrees with you. Wouldn't you consider your attempts to smear
Steve or Hill's reputations, an "attack"?

>
> And, by the way, you're using the word "ethics" in a manner
> that makes it quite clear that you don't know what it means,
> which is hardly surprising given that it's a longer, more
> lexigraphically complicated word than you're usually
> comfortable dealing with.

OMGosh!! There's an attack right there!! gimme a break! ;) If
that's the best you got, then you shouldn't even bother. Really.
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gaubster2.RemoveThis@comcast.net wrote:
>Melinda, do you consider it "ethical" to continually attempt to smear
>or besmirch someone's reputation? You're the pot calling the kettle
>black. If you were really honest, you would include in your sig the
>fact that you hate Hill's and everything/everyone associated with
>Hill's.

Let's talk about why I hate Hills, okay? I'm always happy
to do that, and I think I'm pretty precise in my
criticisms.

I dislike your feeds because of the results I've gotten when
using them, and because my complaints have been echoed by a
number of people here. I really think your company is
scummy because when people complain about the food you
attack them, because you and Steve have masked your
association with the company while pimping your food in
clear violation of basic business ethical guidelines,
because Steve pulls his baffle-'em-with bullshit in response
to reasonable questions (citing papers he pretty clearly
doesn't understand and whose contents it's very likely he's
misrepresenting) and when challenged he resorts to the
stupidest assertions of authority I've ever seen, and on and
on and on.

And, by the way, you're using the word "ethics" in a manner
that makes it quite clear that you don't know what it means,
which is hardly surprising given that it's a longer, more
lexigraphically complicated word than you're usually
comfortable dealing with.
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gaubster2 DeleteThis @comcast.net wrote:
>...and plenty more have responded with the positive results they've
>seen.

Where "Plenty" == "Sharon," whose office sells the stuff.
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