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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:02 pm
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Anti-PETA ads are abused on Metro
By Donna De Marco
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Ads taking PETA to task for opposing animal testing have been
getting a lot of attention on Metro.
They have been ripped down and defaced since earlier this month,
when they began appearing in about 700 Metrorail cars.
The Center for Consumer Freedom, a Washington-based coalition of
food companies, restaurants and tavern operators, and a longtime
opponent of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, paid $60,000
for the ads to run until the middle of next month.
Metro officials have been replacing some of the damaged posters
every night.
"Whenever political ads run, if people have strong opinions that
differ from the ads, we get people that deface them," said Metro
spokeswoman Lisa Farbstein.
"Unfortunately for PETA fans, [Metro] is replacing" the defaced
posters, said Mike Burita, a spokesman for the coalition.
The ad has a picture of a lab rat next to a picture of a sick
child. It includes a quote from PETA President Ingrid Newkirk: "Even
if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it."
The ad also highlights PETA's boycotts of charities such as the
March of Dimes and the Pediatric AIDS Foundation because they may use
animals in medical research.
Jeff Kerr, general counsel for PETA, said Consumer Freedom falsely
attributed the quote in the ad to Ms. Newkirk and that part of it was
taken out of context.
"The entire attack on us is a false scenario," Mr. Kerr said. "We
take this attack as a sign of our effectiveness."
Consumer Freedom has received hundreds of e-mail messages — from
supporters and opponents. One person wrote: "Kudos for your PETA ad
and other efforts. It's about time people with common sense fight
back. ..."
A PETA supporter wrote: "I love PETA. Someone has to care about
animals. How can anyone agree with animal testing? They should use
prisoners. ... Leave the little helpless animals alone."
"There's a growing awareness among the public that animal testing
is unnecessary, outdated and unreliable," Mr. Kerr said.
The ads direct viewers to Consumer Freedom's Web site, where they
will find a section dedicated to the group's fight against PETA. In
the past year, the group has run anti-PETA TV ads on national cable
and in local markets as well as a print ad in Time magazine. This is
the first Consumer Freedom ad to run on Metro property.
"People inside the Beltway are well-read and know about issues,"
Mr. Burita said. "We thought this would be a good venue to try out."
Mr. Burita said the ad has generated the biggest response from any
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:03 pm
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"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Anti-PETA ads are abused on Metro
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> By Donna De Marco
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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> Ads taking PETA to task for opposing animal testing have been
> getting a lot of attention on Metro.
Just a note. The 'e' in PeTA is lower case. It's lower case for a reason.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:25 am
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:22 pm
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"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Just a note. The 'e' in PeTA is lower case. It's lower case for a
reason.
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> Out of curiousity, what is the reason?
"ethics" takes a back seat to their real reason for being. Sucking money
out of the rubes.
They kill more animals than they save once they get their bloody hands on
them. They get a few animals in a "daring" rescue or some such, bilk them
for all the publicity they can get, rake in a few bucks, and then when the
donations fall off, and the animals start to actually cost them something,
they just whack 'em.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 3:35 am
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> > > Just a note. The 'e' in PeTA is lower case. It's lower case for a
> reason.
> >
> > Out of curiousity, what is the reason?
>
> "ethics" takes a back seat to their real reason for being. Sucking money
> out of the rubes.
>
> They kill more animals than they save once they get their bloody hands on
> them. They get a few animals in a "daring" rescue or some such, bilk them
> for all the publicity they can get, rake in a few bucks, and then when the
> donations fall off, and the animals start to actually cost them something,
> they just whack 'em.
>
> Quite a profitable operation, eh?
Although I disagree with PETA I don't believe they do any such thing. >> Stay informed about: Anti-PETA ads in D.C. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:59 am
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Steve Dufour wrote:
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> Although I disagree with PETA I don't believe they do any such thing.
They don't.
They do euthanize animals taken in rescues if the animals are too
ill or injured to survive, or have any quality of life. In PETA's
case, that is not uncommon, because they usually do not get into
rescue as an organization (as opposed to individual PETA members )
unless the situation is truly horrible and other, local rescue
organizations have failed to take action. An example would be their
campaign to upgrade the shelter system in Puerto Rico. But it is
not a question of money; it is a question of the animals' welfare.
PETA's primary focus is advocacy and education. It does do rescue,
and the individual members, as individuals, do a lot of rescue,
but PETA as an organization concentrates on promoting vegetarianism,
an end to testing on animals, vegan alternatives to leather, and so
on. I've been a member since 1984, and have read their magazine
outlining their work.
I donate to PETA because I think they do good work promoting hard
welfare ideas and vegetarianism. I also donate to other organizations
like my local no-kill shelter, rescue groups, Farm Sanctuary, People
for A Native Ecology ( prairie-dog feeding, rescue, and relocation
and creating a short-grass prairie sanctuary here in New Mexico) and so
on. No organization can do everything, and different groups have
different focuses.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:13 pm
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"Rat & Swan" <labrat.RemoveThis@cybermesa.com> wrote in message
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> Steve Dufour wrote:
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> <snip>
> > Although I disagree with PETA I don't believe they do any such thing.
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> They don't.
>
> They do euthanize animals taken in rescues if the animals are too
> ill or injured to survive, or have any quality of life.
======================
Youn know you're lying as usual rattie. They have a worse rate than any
shelter in Norfolk.
In PETA's
> case, that is not uncommon, because they usually do not get into
> rescue as an organization (as opposed to individual PETA members )
> unless the situation is truly horrible and other, local rescue
> organizations have failed to take action. An example would be their
> campaign to upgrade the shelter system in Puerto Rico. But it is
> not a question of money; it is a question of the animals' welfare.
>
> PETA's primary focus is advocacy and education. It does do rescue,
> and the individual members, as individuals, do a lot of rescue,
> but PETA as an organization concentrates on promoting vegetarianism,
> an end to testing on animals, vegan alternatives to leather, and so
> on. I've been a member since 1984, and have read their magazine
> outlining their work.
>
> I donate to PETA because I think they do good work promoting hard
> welfare ideas and vegetarianism. I also donate to other organizations
> like my local no-kill shelter, rescue groups, Farm Sanctuary, People
> for A Native Ecology ( prairie-dog feeding, rescue, and relocation
> and creating a short-grass prairie sanctuary here in New Mexico) and so
> on. No organization can do everything, and different groups have
> different focuses.
>
> Rat
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:39 pm
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"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Just a note. The 'e' in PeTA is lower case. It's lower case for a
> > reason.
> > >
> > > Out of curiousity, what is the reason?
> >
> > "ethics" takes a back seat to their real reason for being. Sucking
money
> > out of the rubes.
> >
> > They kill more animals than they save once they get their bloody hands
on
> > them. They get a few animals in a "daring" rescue or some such, bilk
them
> > for all the publicity they can get, rake in a few bucks, and then when
the
> > donations fall off, and the animals start to actually cost them
something,
> > they just whack 'em.
> >
> > Quite a profitable operation, eh?
>
>
> Although I disagree with PETA I don't believe they do any such thing.
He's telling 'lys' Steve.
He failed to give one instance of 'PETA' "Wacking-em. neither has he
answered your question.
Come on Rick, get your hairy arse of that tractor and give us some answers. >> Stay informed about: Anti-PETA ads in D.C. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:49 pm
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"Ray" <Ray.RemoveThis@euthanizenash.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:744cc401.0402200335.1c786c33@posting.google.com...
> > > > > Just a note. The 'e' in PeTA is lower case. It's lower case for
a
> > > reason.
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiousity, what is the reason?
> > >
> > > "ethics" takes a back seat to their real reason for being. Sucking
> money
> > > out of the rubes.
> > >
> > > They kill more animals than they save once they get their bloody hands
> on
> > > them. They get a few animals in a "daring" rescue or some such, bilk
> them
> > > for all the publicity they can get, rake in a few bucks, and then when
> the
> > > donations fall off, and the animals start to actually cost them
> something,
> > > they just whack 'em.
> > >
> > > Quite a profitable operation, eh?
> >
> >
> > Although I disagree with PETA I don't believe they do any such thing.
>
>
>
> He's telling 'lys' Steve.
>
> He failed to give one instance of 'PETA' "Wacking-em. neither has he
> answered your question.
>
> Come on Rick, get your hairy arse of that tractor and give us some
answers.
Hell 'I've spelled off wrong, best acknowledge before 'Useless Object'
corrects me.
"in veno veritas".
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:30 pm
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"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Anti-PETA ads are abused on Metro
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> By Donna De Marco
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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> Ads taking PETA to task for opposing animal testing have been
> getting a lot of attention on Metro.
> They have been ripped down and defaced since earlier this month,
> when they began appearing in about 700 Metrorail cars.
Awww.. sounds like the PETArds got a strong taste of their own medicine and
didn't like it. Not one bit.
I wonder how much they'd like it if somebody took to using ELF-style tactics
against them. Hey, firebombs work both ways, you know.
Doc
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And if you wish to avoid crushing social embarrassment, it's red wine
with dwarf, white with fetus.
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"drdoody" <drdoody.RemoveThis@dieslowly.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:744cc401.0402181502.11bfe2b3@posting.google.com...
> > Anti-PETA ads are abused on Metro
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> > By Donna De Marco
> > THE WASHINGTON TIMES
> >
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> >
> >
> > Ads taking PETA to task for opposing animal testing have been
> > getting a lot of attention on Metro.
> > They have been ripped down and defaced since earlier this month,
> > when they began appearing in about 700 Metrorail cars.
>
> Awww.. sounds like the PETArds got a strong taste of their own medicine
and
> didn't like it. Not one bit.
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> I wonder how much they'd like it if somebody took to using ELF-style
tactics
> against them. Hey, firebombs work both ways, you know.
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> Doc
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oooohhhh noooo, now we've got carnivore on the lose! We have 'washington'
'metro' 'firebombs' and 'elf' in the same post! :-)
luckily you didn't say the presidents name in there too!
oops...
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> --
> And if you wish to avoid crushing social embarrassment, it's red wine
> with dwarf, white with fetus.
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> Semolina Pilchard
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:10 pm
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> "Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about
> by human manipulation." -- Ingrid Newkirk, national director,
> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Just Like Us?
> Toward a Nation of Animal Rights" (symposium), Harper's, August
> 1988, p. 50.
>
> "Liberating our language by eliminating the word 'pet' is the
> first step... In an ideal society where all exploitation and
> oppression has been eliminated, it will be NJARA's policy to
> oppose the keeping of animals as 'pets.'" --New Jersey Animal
> Rights Alliance, "Should Dogs Be Kept As Pets? NO!" Good Dog!
> February 1991, p. 20.
>
> "Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete
> jungles--from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains
> by which we enslave it." --John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An
> Examination of A Changing Ethic (Washington, DC: People for the
> Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), 1982), p. 15.
>
> "The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the
> domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and
> more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to
> exist." --John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A
> Changing Ethic (Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment
> of Animals (PeTA), 1982), p. 15.
I always thought that dogs, and cats too, joined with us humans
because they wanted to not because we captured them and forced them to
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"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about
> > by human manipulation." -- Ingrid Newkirk, national director,
> > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Just Like Us?
> > Toward a Nation of Animal Rights" (symposium), Harper's, August
> > 1988, p. 50.
> >
> > "Liberating our language by eliminating the word 'pet' is the
> > first step... In an ideal society where all exploitation and
> > oppression has been eliminated, it will be NJARA's policy to
> > oppose the keeping of animals as 'pets.'" --New Jersey Animal
> > Rights Alliance, "Should Dogs Be Kept As Pets? NO!" Good Dog!
> > February 1991, p. 20.
> >
> > "Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete
> > jungles--from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains
> > by which we enslave it." --John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An
> > Examination of A Changing Ethic (Washington, DC: People for the
> > Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), 1982), p. 15.
> >
> > "The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the
> > domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and
> > more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to
> > exist." --John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A
> > Changing Ethic (Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment
> > of Animals (PeTA), 1982), p. 15.
>
> I always thought that dogs, and cats too, joined with us humans
> because they wanted to not because we captured them and forced them to
> be our pets.
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Not according to your pals at PeTA. To them they are all slaves being
mistreated, used, abused, and exploited and must be liberated. Which to
PeTA means they must be killed. >> Stay informed about: Anti-PETA ads in D.C. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:31 am
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> I always thought that dogs, and cats too, joined with us humans
> because they wanted to not because we captured them and forced them to
> be our pets.
Actually the latest scientific theory is pretty simple, humans throw
out garbage. Dogs started to realize that hanging out with humans
meant easy food. Eventually we befreinded these wild animals and they
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You'd be much better to support your local no kill shelter than to
support PETA. PETA is a fringe group that simply has good marketing
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