Animal emotions - I

Leif Erikson wrote:
> Animals do not feel or exhibit "pride". When a domestic cat drops a
> dead mouse at the back door and looks at you, it is not showing
> "pride". The animal has no sense that you might be pleased by the
> outcome, or that *you* might feel some kind of "pride" in having a good
> mouser for a cat. This kind of thinking simply is not part of a cat's
> mental world.

Thank you, Dr. Descartes.

You were wrong then, you are wrong now.

Jack
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"Leif Erikson" <jackball.TakeThisOut@phs.con> wrote in message
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> Animals do not feel or exhibit "pride". When a domestic cat drops a dead
> mouse at the back door and looks at you, it is not showing "pride". The
> animal has no sense that you might be pleased by the outcome, or that
> *you* might feel some kind of "pride" in having a good mouser for a cat.
> This kind of thinking simply is not part of a cat's mental world.

How do you know these things?You don't post links(let alone reliable
links)!Me thinks that you are full of SHIT!

PLONK!
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On 10 May 2006 15:44:56 -0700, "Whining, Crying, Bawl" <bunghole-jonnie.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote:

>
>Leif Erikson wrote:
>> Ron wrote:
>>
>> > Leif Erikson wrote:
>> >
>> >>Animals do not feel or exhibit "pride". When a
>> >>domestic cat drops a dead mouse at the back door and
>> >>looks at you, it is not showing "pride". The animal
>> >>has no sense that you might be pleased by the outcome,
>> >>or that *you* might feel some kind of "pride" in having
>> >>a good mouser for a cat. This kind of thinking simply
>> >>is not part of a cat's mental world.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cat's will actually bring you a mouse as a present.
>>
>> No.
>
>
>Yes. They won't bring you a mouse 'cause no cat could like you Goober.
>
>
>>
>> The plural of cat is cats, not "cat's".
>
>
>Thank you for the correction Goober.
>
>Maybe you've found your niche. Correcting grammer and spelling.
>
>It could be quite rewarding. Maybe you'd get your ass kicked less.

LOL! Goo would probably just screw that up too. Ineptitude
appears to be the Goober's dominant characteristic.
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 14:55:32 -0400, "brian" <briand.DeleteThis@me.com> wrote:

>
>"Leif Erikson" <jackball.DeleteThis@phs.con> wrote in message
>news:QMt8g.2612$u4.483@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Animals do not feel or exhibit "pride". When a domestic cat drops a dead
>> mouse at the back door and looks at you, it is not showing "pride". The
>> animal has no sense that you might be pleased by the outcome, or that
>> *you* might feel some kind of "pride" in having a good mouser for a cat.
>> This kind of thinking simply is not part of a cat's mental world.
>
>How do you know these things?You don't post links(let alone reliable
>links)!Me thinks that you are full of SHIT!

Yes. It's why he is Goobernicus...he's a moron who thinks he's a
genius. Goo also believes that some cattle are raised specifically to
become pet food, some of them deliberately for as many as 12 years
simply to become pet food.

"Ranchers . . . have no idea if a steer they raise is going to be used
entirely for human consumption, entirely for animal consumption, or
for some combination; nor do they care." - Goo
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From: Goo
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Ron pointed out:

> You also said cows are raised for 12 years specifically to become PET
> FOOD.

Some are.
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The Goober acts like he doesn't want people to laugh at his absurdity
and ineptitude:

"Why are you laughing at mental illness" - Goo

but we can see that he begs for it. And since the absurdity and
stupidity of Goo are fun topics for anyone, here are some more
examples of the type Goober we have here in case you're not
familiar:

"Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any other
animal you've ever encountered." - Goo

"Animals do not experience pride or disappointment. Period." - Goo

"Anticipation requires language." - Goo

"Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than the
great apes have no sense of self." - Goo

"They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo

"They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo

"NO animals benefit from farming" - Goo

"No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing benefits from
coming into existence. No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo

"Life is not a "benefit" to livestock or any other animals." - Goo

"EVEN WITH the very best animal welfare conditions one might provide:
they STILL might not be as good as the "pre-existence" state was for
the animals" - Goo
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On 17 May 2006, Clueless Goo proclaimed:

>Cats do not have a concept of "gift" or "present".

Then why do you think they present people with things, Goo?

(Note: being completely inept Goobernicus will remain unable
to even attempt to answer the question, and at "best" will
maunder some infantile uselessness about what he moronically
believes is *not* the cause. Amusing, but pathetic.)
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On 22 May 2006, an inept Goober absurdly maundered:

>Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant dog-sodomizing cracker, lied:
>> On 17 May 2006, a moronic drooling Goober wrote:
>>
>> >Cats do not have a concept of "gift" or "present".
>>
>> Then why do you think they present people with things, Leif?
>
>They don't. YOU interpret it, wrongly, as them "presenting" you with
>something. They aren't doing that.

What do you think they're doing Goo, if you're capable of thinking?
Why do you think they're doing it Goo, if you're capable of thinking?
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Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant pig-sodomizing
cracker, lied:

> On 22 May 2006, Leif Erikson wrote:
>
>
>>Fuckwit David Harrison, ignorant dog-sodomizing cracker, lied:
>>
>>>On 17 May 2006, Leif Erikson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Cats do not have a concept of "gift" or "present".
>>>
>>> Then why do you think they present people with things, Leif?
>>
>>They don't. YOU interpret it, wrongly, as them "presenting" you with
>>something. They aren't doing that.
>
>
> What do you think they're doing Leif,

Dropping the mouse.

Cats don't have a concept of gift-giving.
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Leif Erikson wrote:


>> What do you think they're doing Leif,

> Dropping the mouse.

Yes, but why? If they hunted for food, why not eat
the mouse where they killed it? If for sport, why
bring it back after it was dead? If to eat later, why
drop it where another potential dominant predator
(i.e., the human) could take it away, instead of
hiding it?
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Karen Winter wrote:

> Leif Erikson wrote:
>
>
>>> What do you think they're doing Leif,
>
>
>> Dropping the mouse.
>
>
> Yes, but why? If they hunted for food, why not eat
> the mouse where they killed it? If for sport, why
> bring it back after it was dead? If to eat later, why
> drop it where another potential dominant predator
> (i.e., the human) could take it away, instead of
> hiding it?

It isn't as a gift; cats don't have a concept of
gift-giving.
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Eden wrote:

>> Leif Erikson wrote:

>>>> What do you think they're doing Leif,

>>> Dropping the mouse.

>> Yes, but why? If they hunted for food, why not eat
>> the mouse where they killed it? If for sport, why
>> bring it back after it was dead? If to eat later, why
>> drop it where another potential dominant predator
>> (i.e., the human) could take it away, instead of
>> hiding it?

> It isn't as a gift; cats don't have a concept of gift-giving.

No, I don't think it is as a gift, but why *do* you think they
do it?
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Karen Winter blabbered:
> Eden wrote:
>
> ...
> > It isn't important what I think it *is*.
>
> ...
> Well, yes it is.

No, it isn't.


> It's an indication of how you believe a cat's
> mind works.

All that's relevant in the discussion is how I think it *doesn't* work.
It doesn't include the ability to conceive of gi

> Obviously, it isn't a purely instinctive act,
> since there's no instinct to feed humans in the repertoire of
> wild cats.

Who says it has anything to do with feeding them?


> Obviously, it requires some sort of...anticipation,
> shall we say?

No. It doesn't anticipate any particular reaction from the humans.


> ...for the cat to carry the mouse back to a house
> rather than eat it or drop it right on the spot. It's an
> artificial interaction which has no exact parallel in nature.

Cats have been domesticated a long time, so this *is* their "nature".


> So why does the cat do it? What does the cat get out of the
> effort of carrying the mouse back to the house, and picking a
> particular spot to drop it? There has to be something.

Why don't you ask a few of them? It would be a perfect question to pop
to a couple of 'em in the middle of a shampoo and nail trim.
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Glorfindel wrote:

> Eden wrote:
>
>>> Leif Erikson wrote:
>
>
>>>>> What do you think they're doing Leif,
>
>
>>>> Dropping the mouse.
>
>
>>> Yes, but why? If they hunted for food, why not eat
>>> the mouse where they killed it? If for sport, why
>>> bring it back after it was dead? If to eat later, why
>>> drop it where another potential dominant predator
>>> (i.e., the human) could take it away, instead of
>>> hiding it?
>
>
>> It isn't as a gift; cats don't have a concept of gift-giving.
>
>
> No, I don't think it is as a gift, but why *do* you think they
> do it?

It isn't important what I think it *is*. In the
context of this newsgroup, what is important is what I
am saying it is *not*: the presenting of a gift.
People who would ascribe all kinds of ridiculous
attributes to animals want to say the cat is making a
"present" of the dead animal to its owner, and that's
preposterous.
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Eden wrote:

....
> It isn't important what I think it *is*.

....
Well, yes it is. It's an indication of how you believe a cat's
mind works. Obviously, it isn't a purely instinctive act,
since there's no instinct to feed humans in the repertoire of
wild cats. Obviously, it requires some sort of...anticipation,
shall we say?...for the cat to carry the mouse back to a house
rather than eat it or drop it right on the spot. It's an
artificial interaction which has no exact parallel in nature.
So why does the cat do it? What does the cat get out of the
effort of carrying the mouse back to the house, and picking a
particular spot to drop it? There has to be something.

If you haven't a clue, that's a reasonable answer too. :)
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