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Dutch wrote:
>
> "frlpwr" <frlpwr RemoveThis @flash.net> wrote
> > Dutch wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> > >
> > > Don't forget good ol' Roundup, farmers use LOTS of Roundup.
> >
> > Is Roundup labelled for use on organic crops?
>
> Who's definition of "organic" are you using?

I guess whoever is charged with certification of organic farming
methods.

> What proportion of vegans are buying products made with organic > grains?

Hard to say, but it's a good bet it a higher proportion than consumers
at large.
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rick etter wrote:
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> "frlpwr" <frlpwr.TakeThisOut@flash.net> wrote in message news:3FC0D48A.2034@flash.net...
> > K D B wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> > >
> > > That's nice, now why don't we try a little fairness and
> > > consider the "cutting height" of, say, potatoes?
> >
> > What's fair about comparing a grass crop to a root crop?
> > ========================
> Because, you ignorant fool, it's part of your diet. Why only talk
> about the foods only cattle eat,

If you'll revisit earlier posts, you'll see I compared alfalfa with
wheat, a human consumable.

> if you don't talk about foods that you eat.
> Oh, yeah, makes you look even worse, doesn't it killer?

You're insane.
>
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"frlpwr" <frlpwr DeleteThis @flash.net> wrote in message news:3FC12B4F.C96@flash.net...
> rick etter wrote:
> >
> > "frlpwr" <frlpwr DeleteThis @flash.net> wrote in message
news:3FC0D48A.2034@flash.net...
> > > K D B wrote:
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > That's nice, now why don't we try a little fairness and
> > > > consider the "cutting height" of, say, potatoes?
> > >
> > > What's fair about comparing a grass crop to a root crop?
> > > ========================
> > Because, you ignorant fool, it's part of your diet. Why only talk
> > about the foods only cattle eat,
>
> If you'll revisit earlier posts, you'll see I compared alfalfa with
> wheat, a human consumable.
========================
Only one small part of what people eat. that way you can eliminate almost
all other of your crops from comparison, eh killer?
Why is it you never compare it to just grass, which is what most cattle eat
most of their lives anyway?


>
> > if you don't talk about foods that you eat.
> > Oh, yeah, makes you look even worse, doesn't it killer?
>
> You're insane.
====================
No, you're desperate because you cannot, and never will be able to defend
the idiocy of vegan claims.


Now, go have that nice blood-drenched breakfast, killer.

> >
>
>
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Hunter1 <hunter1.TakeThisOut@arach.net.au> wrote in message news:<3fc2a67a$1@funnel.arach.net.au>...
> Fran wrote:
>
> > You're the one suffering delusions squire. You're so rabid that you
> > can barely string two words together. I don't want to be judgemental,
> > but whatever medication you're on doesn't seem to be helping. I
> > sincerely hope that you get the help you need. You have my sympathy.
> >
> > Berko
>
>
> So are you Fran or Berko???? You know a common tactic of the
> greenleft is to post under many different names to feign
> support that is not actually there.... Not the game you're
> trying is it???? Funny thing is I've ONLY seen greenleft
> types using it. Spose it's a trait of the greenleft to be
> dishonest.


Both ... That's why the post from "Fran" was signed Berko and written
in the first person. There was no attempt to deceive anyone. Sometimes
Google declares that "there have been too many posts from your
address" and if I want to keep posting I have to use a different name
and ISP. But as a matter of courtesy to the poster, (note that I
observe netiquette even when others breach it by being abusive
repeatedly) I signed as berko.

Like many posters I use anon email as I don't want to be spammed.

As for this topic, I have posted entirely as berko, apart from the
"fran" post which didn't really lend support to a point made by berko
but responded to a troll.

No dishonesty there at all.

Berko
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So what....

People think that we were the same person although we are from different
parts of Australia and that is far away.

Kindest regards

"Hunter1" <hunter1.DeleteThis@arach.net.au> wrote in message
news:3fc2a67a$1@funnel.arach.net.au...
> Fran wrote:
>
> > You're the one suffering delusions squire. You're so rabid that you
> > can barely string two words together. I don't want to be judgemental,
> > but whatever medication you're on doesn't seem to be helping. I
> > sincerely hope that you get the help you need. You have my sympathy.
> >
> > Berko
>
>
> So are you Fran or Berko???? You know a common tactic of the
> greenleft is to post under many different names to feign
> support that is not actually there.... Not the game you're
> trying is it???? Funny thing is I've ONLY seen greenleft
> types using it. Spose it's a trait of the greenleft to be
> dishonest.
>
>
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 20:51:41 +0000, LDL wrote:

>
>> > Ok ... so are you personally responsible for all the other bad stuff
>> > that happens from which you profit ... like third world slave labour
>> > for example?
>>
>>
>> The food you eat directly leads to animal deaths, and larger numbers of
>> animals even if smaller-sized animals (as if that matters) than any
>> meat-eater is responsible for. That proves you are a hypocrit, you're
>> more worried about image than reality, as you support a farming industry
>> that kills many more animals than a farming industry that you condemn.
>> If you weren't a hypocrit you'd grow your own food and make sure no
>> animals died for it, but you are a hypocrit.
>
> Just remember that every farmer spreads blood and bone to put in nutrients
> into the soil similar to a dead animal or something like that and it is
> organic.

"Every farmer" doesn't use blood and bone... to be organic, the source of
this animal product has to be fed organic feed....

I don't use it... I use composted chook poo and worm castings.

> In effect your organic vegetarian way of life really has meat products in
> it.
>
> You have to kill to have your plants growing nicely. Such hypocrisy and
> ill-informed are those many greenies left wingers animals we have.

Nothing wrong with killing animals. Treating them like products and
torturing them for profit is what is wrong with modern "best" practice.

--
Regards,
Gregory.
"Ding-a-Ding Dang, My Dang-a-Long Ling Long."
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"frlpwr" <frlpwr.DeleteThis@flash.net> wrote
> Dutch wrote:
> >
> > "frlpwr" <frlpwr.DeleteThis@flash.net> wrote
> > > Dutch wrote:
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > Don't forget good ol' Roundup, farmers use LOTS of Roundup.
> > >
> > > Is Roundup labelled for use on organic crops?
> >
> > Who's definition of "organic" are you using?
>
> I guess whoever is charged with certification of organic farming
> methods.

Every definition I can find is very vague. It seems it boils down to a
matter of *degrees*. I know that without herbicides it would be impractical
to farm my land.

> > What proportion of vegans are buying products made with organic >
grains?
>
> Hard to say, but it's a good bet it a higher proportion than consumers
> at large.

Again, a matter of degrees.
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:31:36 +0800, Synic
<flavp+hfrarg@nhgbaf.arg.nh> wrote:

>Hunter1 <hunter1.RemoveThis@arach.net.au> wrote:

[...]

>> Yeah, I reckon the average Animal Libber would serve a great
>> purpose, live target practice for the army.
>
>Sod that. Shoot farmers and save us all a massive welfare bill
>and endless special pleading when the inevitible dry years come.
>Seriously, someone's got to mention the concept of a savings account
>to these people.

They have them - they're called "farm management deposits",
where you dont pay tax on what you stick in them, only on
what you pull out of them.

FMDs have 2.5 billion in them at the moment.

You're right in that whinging from agriculturalists is an
Australian institution, but where I think you're a bit wide
of the mark is in blaming farmers for the whinging, when
today its really the lobby groups like the NFF, Agforce etc.

Most farmers coped with the drought fine - as the FMD data
demonstrated.

So maybe we should shoot the NFF and their ilk.There wouldnt
be a shortage of farmers willing to line up to pull the
trigger.

Scott Steel
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Scott Steel <scott_steel.stuff.TakeThisOut@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> So maybe we should shoot the NFF and their ilk.There wouldnt
> be a shortage of farmers willing to line up to pull the
> trigger.

You know, I think you could be onto a winner there.

The NFF annoyed me greatly also with their actions in acting as a cheer
squad for Patrick Stevedores in their attempt to sink workers entitlements
by shunting their workforce into a labour hire company they'd starve of
work and allow to sink to the bottom of the harbour.

It surprises me though that there's anger between the NFF and the
farming community. What's the history behind it?
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Dutch wrote:
>
> "frlpwr" <frlpwr RemoveThis @flash.net> wrote
> > Dutch wrote:
> > >
> > > "frlpwr" <frlpwr RemoveThis @flash.net> wrote
> > > > Dutch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't forget good ol' Roundup, farmers use LOTS of Roundup.
> > > >
> > > > Is Roundup labelled for use on organic crops?
> > >
> > > Who's definition of "organic" are you using?
> >
> > I guess whoever is charged with certification of organic farming
> > methods.
>
> Every definition I can find is very vague. It seems it boils down to a
> matter of *degrees*.

I don't think so. Glyphosate makes Roundup unsuitable for organic
certification in the US.

> I know that without herbicides it would be impractical to farm my > land.

If you can't farm your land without poisoning the environment, maybe you
shouldn't do it. I'm curious, are the weeds you are screwing the soil
and water, not to mention Arctic people, to eliminate native forbs or
invasive non-natives following on the heels of monoculture?

>
> > > What proportion of vegans are buying products made with organic
> > > grains?
> >
> > Hard to say, but it's a good bet it a higher proportion than
> > consumers at large.
>
> Again, a matter of degrees.

What else would I mean by "higher proportion"?
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"frlpwr" <frlpwr.TakeThisOut@flash.net> wrote in message news:3FC4DB23.10E4@flash.net...
> Dutch wrote:
> >
> > "frlpwr" <frlpwr.TakeThisOut@flash.net> wrote
> > > Dutch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "frlpwr" <frlpwr.TakeThisOut@flash.net> wrote
> > > > > Dutch wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't forget good ol' Roundup, farmers use LOTS of Roundup.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Roundup labelled for use on organic crops?
> > > >
> > > > Who's definition of "organic" are you using?
> > >
> > > I guess whoever is charged with certification of organic farming
> > > methods.
> >
> > Every definition I can find is very vague. It seems it boils down to a
> > matter of *degrees*.
>
> I don't think so. Glyphosate makes Roundup unsuitable for organic
> certification in the US.
>
> > I know that without herbicides it would be impractical to farm my >
land.
>
> If you can't farm your land without poisoning the environment, maybe you
> shouldn't do it. I'm curious, are the weeds you are screwing the soil
> and water, not to mention Arctic people,
===========================
ROTFLMAO....




to eliminate native forbs or
> invasive non-natives following on the heels of monoculture?
>
> >
> > > > What proportion of vegans are buying products made with organic
> > > > grains?
> > >
> > > Hard to say, but it's a good bet it a higher proportion than
> > > consumers at large.
> >
> > Again, a matter of degrees.
>
> What else would I mean by "higher proportion"?
>
>
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"frlpwr" <frlpwr.RemoveThis@flash.net> wrote
> Dutch wrote:

[..]
>
> > I know that without herbicides it would be impractical to farm my >
land.
>
> If you can't farm your land without poisoning the environment, maybe you
> shouldn't do it. I'm curious, are the weeds you are screwing the soil
> and water, not to mention Arctic people, to eliminate native forbs or
> invasive non-natives following on the heels of monoculture?

The primary target is wild oats. Incidentally, we could theoretically do
much better if we used a "conservation farming" technique, no more summer
fallow, no-till, an air seeder and lots of herbicide.
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