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Rubystars wrote:
>
> "David Berkeley" <berko60.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> <snip>
> > Well done animal lib ... an eccentric but very creative approach to
> > protest.
>
> Are you kidding? The sheep will most likely be killed anyway,

The sheep were doomed the day they were born.

> albeit at a loss to the farmers.

Uh, that's the point. It's called sabotege and it's meant to cause
economic loss to those who trade in cruelty and pain.

> People in the middle east will be going without the
> food.
>
What a pity! People in the Middle East do not need to eat sheep that
must travel months in the hold of a ship to get there.

> And what if the pork products had transferred some kind of prion to
> the sheep?

It's true, these sheep suffer enough without adding seizures and
circling to their troubles. I have to assume that any animal exhibiting
such symptoms would be promptly killed, a better fate than a long trip
ending in slaughter.

>Would you have been happy to see people suffering and dying to save a
> herd of sheep?

Buyer beware.
>
> Animal "liberation" is the dumbest part of the ARA movement.

Please explain.
>
> -Rubystars
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"David Berkeley" <berko60 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, the city is subsidising them at the moment.
>
>
> Berko


Not at all.

Balance of payments relies on income producing or import replacement
industries. You are looking at Primary production industries foremost
(agriculture/tourism) and then secondary industries in Australia that
perform these functions. The Tertiary level in Aus is pretty ordinary.

Now the "subsidies" you talk of are all internal and tax related. The tax
take (particularly PAYE) is higher in cities than in regional industry. The
Government reinvests this Tax money into services and, in some instances, to
encouraging business activity (witness the latest Tourism deal). Their focus
on primary industry (tourism due to 9/11 et al and agriculture due to
drought) reflects the importance on the economy of these areas. They do this
because they know it underlies the current account economy.

In summary, without these dribbles of income from boatloads of sheep and the
like we would be in an even worse position account wise.

RJ.
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"MeerKat" <Don_is_a_wanker.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> These animal rights activists deserve gaol for criminal vandalism.

I would call them economical terrorists with similar view as the Al-Qaeda.

Reason for this is because the enforce their views upon the public and when
they don't get their way, they will delibreately sabotage insimilar to a
bombing.

A bombing may cause destructiveness to the lives of people, but economical
destruction is take longer with heartache, divorce and many legal
proceedings.

I hope that the animal libs green left scums get fully charged as terrorists
and wish they get hung for that.

burn the rope after that.

> There are ways and means of protesting but contaminatin g the sheep
crosses
> the line as far as protesting goes.
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"TheMan" <noreply.RemoveThis@noreply.com> wrote in message
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> "MeerKat" <Don_is_a_wanker.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3fbc8861$0$20488$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > These animal rights activists deserve gaol for criminal vandalism.
> >
> > There are ways and means of protesting but contaminatin g the sheep
> crosses
> > the line as far as protesting goes.
>
> Why doesn't the government buy the sheep for $10 Million tax-payer dollars
> and then pay some 3rd world country $1 Million dollars to take them for
free
> like they did last time?

Why should the public pick up the tab for this green left animal lib's
terrorism?
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David Berkeley wrote:

> It will keep them from being jammed into trucks, and then into a ship,
> being bumped about in their own faeces and urine in a hold for 1-3
> months, and being unloaded in a country where there are sheep diseases
> that apparently farmers don't want here, and then being slaughtered
> all the same but without whatever standards apply in local abbattoirs.


So are you lot going to look after them now that they're not
worth anything at all commercially??? No???? In that case
they'll probably be left to starve, congratulations! You've
given them an even worse death!!!!

Be fun to see what happens to the arsehole that got caught.
20 years would be nice. And when the farmer's insurance
company comes looking for him I'm going to laugh my arse off
when they take everything he owns including his family home.
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Hunter1 <hunter1 DeleteThis @arach.net.au> wrote in message news:<3fbd53e9$1@funnel.arach.net.au>...
> David Berkeley wrote:
>
> > It will keep them from being jammed into trucks, and then into a ship,
> > being bumped about in their own faeces and urine in a hold for 1-3
> > months, and being unloaded in a country where there are sheep diseases
> > that apparently farmers don't want here, and then being slaughtered
> > all the same but without whatever standards apply in local abbattoirs.
>
>
> So are you lot going to look after them now that they're not
> worth anything at all commercially??? No????

No, it should be the responsibility of the farmer. He was the one who
did the husbandry. Be it upon his head.
In that case
> they'll probably be left to starve, congratulations! You've
> given them an even worse death!!!!

Unlikely, they'd just be euthanased.




>
> Be fun to see what happens to the arsehole that got caught.
> 20 years would be nice. And when the farmer's insurance
> company comes looking for him I'm going to laugh my arse off
> when they take everything he owns including his family home.

Hopefully it's well protected from the reach of these scumbags. But as
I said, I'd be happy to chip in to help the guy defend himself, and if
it came to that, to chip in and find him some place to live. It was
the happiest piece of news I'd heard for quite some time, and well
worth a couple of hundred dollars of my hard earned ...

Berko
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TheMan wrote:

> Why doesn't the government buy the sheep for $10 Million tax-payer dollars
> and then pay some 3rd world country $1 Million dollars to take them for free
> like they did last time?


Why don't we take the greenleft scum who did this act of
criminal vandalism for every cent their worth, take their
family homes, take everything and sell the lot ot pay for
the damage done? And then lock them up for 10 years on top
of that, just the same as happens to anyone else that
criminally causes damage worth this much money.
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David Berkeley wrote:
> The live sheep trade should be halted immediately, as a minimum
> concession to the humane treatment of animals.


Fine, buy all his sheep off him, buy a farm, and pay to let
them run free. What??? You're not willing to put your money
where your mouth is, you actually just like the rent-a-crowd
style of vandalism??? Thought as much.....
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Hunter1 <hunter1.RemoveThis@arach.net.au> wrote in message news:<3fbd6349$1@funnel.arach.net.au>...
> David Berkeley wrote:
> > The live sheep trade should be halted immediately, as a minimum
> > concession to the humane treatment of animals.
>
>
> Fine, buy all his sheep off him, buy a farm, and pay to let
> them run free.

That would be contrary to the law. Anyway, I'm not the slightest bit
interested in becoming a sheep herder. Overtime, I'm hoping the
industry will simply go the way of all obsolete industries. I can be
patient though.

What??? You're not willing to put your money
> where your mouth is, you actually just like the rent-a-crowd
> style of vandalism??? Thought as much.....

Why ask questions if you're going to answer them all yourself?
Statements are fine for that sort of thing.

"Rent-a-crowd?" Do you have a copy of the Daily Telegraph Monster Book
of Cliches handy? So who is paying them? I thought they were
volunteers.

And vandalism refers to the destruction of worthy things. This is
well-conceived non-violent political activism. It looks, at a minimum,
to have saved these sheep from a grisly month or two at the mercy of
Live Corp -- and that's just for starters.

The fact that the corporate torturers and their intellectual arsewipes
like you are also in a flap is just a bonus.

Berko
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You know one thing I don't understand about this particular animal lib thing
(not that anything else they do makes sense) is that if they didn't want
animals to be slaughtered, why the hell did they use pork to feed them?

That's like throwing blood (presumably bought from a slaughterhouse?) on
people wearing fur.

I think they'd help their cause just a little if they ever made any sense.

-Rubystars
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DBDriver wrote:

> Bastard farmers cause all the problems. But there's a greenhouse gas problem
> as well isn't there??!!
>
> ... Humans exhale CO2.
>
> ...
>
> ... Rally around everyone, I am forming a new group - "Death to the
> exhalers!!! - Death to the exhalers!!...."


"The crime is life! The sentence is death!"


> Just because you personally don't agree with something doesn't make it
> wrong.


Not to mention 99% of greenleft wankers are hypocrites as
well, what's the bet this guy has something in his house
which is made from dead animal. Some of his food probably
has animal fat (most chips do for instance), got any
leather?? etc.etc.etc. And I don't think any of us will ever
forget Nike boy protesting against Nike, and when asked why
he was wearing them "duh, cos they're the only decent shoes
I could get"... Fucking morons, the whole bloody lot of them.
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"David Berkeley" <berko60.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote
> Hunter1 <hunter1.RemoveThis@arach.net.au> wrote
[..]

> > "Davis has found evidence that suggests that the unseen
> > losses of field animals are very high. One study documented
> > that a single operation, mowing alfalfa, caused a 50 percent
> > reduction in the gray-tailed vole population. Mortality
> > rates increase with every pass of the tractor to plow,
> > plant, and harvest. Additions of herbicides and pesticides
> > cause additional harm to animals of the field.
> >
>
>
> > In contrast, grazing ruminants such as cattle produce food
> > and require fewer entries into the fields with tractors and
> > other equipment. In grazed pastures, according to Davis,
> > less wildlife is lost to the mower blades, and more find
> > stable habitat in untilled fields. And no-till agriculture
> > also helps stabilize soil and reduce run-off into streams. "
> >
> >
>
> > Looks to me like you bloody lot are killing more animals
> > than us meat-eaters, or don't these animals count to you?
> >
>
> It is true that commercial agriculture has costs. Ideally, organic
> farming methods could reduce these costs. But raising animals also has
> major environmental costs that also affect other animals.

So why the unrelenting attack on one form of agriculture and not on the
other?

> If the
> protein humans need were raised more from agriculture, a far greater
> proportion of land could be allowed for wilderness, there would be far
> less call on water, fewer problems with salinity, a greater diversity
> of habitat etc.

Agriculture entails massive death and suffering of animals, whether or not
animals comprise part of the final product.

> On balance, this is a lesser evil, assuming as I do,
> that humans, like every other animal, are enitled to do whatever is
> minimally necessary to sustain their life chances.

You consume far more than what is minimally necessary to sustain your life
and you know it. Based on your self-righteous pose you can't justify any of
the excess consumption.

> We should look to
> minimise suffering.

Adopting a vegan diet is neither necessary nor sufficient to minimize animal
suffering. In fact it's trivially easy to find examples where a vegan diet
increases the net amount of animal suffering.

> Death may involve suffering, but it doesn't
> necessarily entail it.

Meaningless hand-waving, the rice pilaf in your dinner menu cost animal
lives just like the fresh fish filet in mine, very likely more.

[..]

> To defend his ... what's the word? ... "captives?", "slaves?",
> "cargo?" his share of the goods, the action .... No I just can't think
> of a word to describe what this farmer's livelihod was ... and I'm not
> usually lost for a word.
>
> Maybe it's "living chattel".

I am opposed to subjecting animals to inhumane treatment like this, but it
stinks when it's used as ammunition for neo-political hogwash.
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Hunter1 <hunter1.DeleteThis@arach.net.au> wrote:
> David Berkeley wrote:
>> The live sheep trade should be halted immediately, as a minimum
>> concession to the humane treatment of animals.

Stuff the humane treatment of animals; the live sheep trade's not
economic either. If those in charge of the trade simply hired locally
(or internationally) certified Halal slaughterhouse inspectors,
there'd be no problem at all in shipping frozen packaged Halal meat
overseas to the Arab nations.

In Western countries like Australia, Halal meat is created for local
consumption in the traditional ways, but, the animal is stunned
beforehand so it doesn't feel pain. That's the way to go for the export
market.

> Fine, buy all his sheep off him, buy a farm, and pay to let
> them run free. What??? You're not willing to put your money
> where your mouth is, you actually just like the rent-a-crowd
> style of vandalism??? Thought as much.....

Sounds like a straw man argument to me... You don't get to claim that
because animal libs won't buy up the chicken industry's current stocks,
chickens should therefore be badly kept in tiny wire mesh cages. That
type of argument doesn't follow.

(Personally, I was pretty disappointed with the animal libbers
contaminating sheep food with pig meat, largely because of the risk of
cross-species disease propagation. People may not remember, but, Mad Cow
disease broke out largely because of one UK farmer who fed his pigs on
scraps including animal matter. Anyone who even knows a vet who's worked
in Europe knows just how nasty a pandemic is to livestock herds when the
lot have to be immediately slaughtered and burned to stop it spreading.)
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