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dalehollow

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:13 am
Post subject: Aging dog starting to defecate inside unexpectedly
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Happy holidays, everyone. Best to you all.

We have a 9 year old lab mix who has started defecating inside the
house. Second time was this morning in the bedroom on her dogbed. I
fed her at 7am, she walked away from her food (which is given right by
the door into the Poop Prairie, which is 1/4 acre and picked clean
typically) and back into the bedroom . When I went to see if she had
gone back to bed, I found the surprise.

She hasn't urinated inside (not unexpectedly, anyway) so I think this
might be a digestive tract problem only. After she dumped on her bed
this morning we let her outside and only then did she urinate.

Starting about a month or two ago, she started doing it in strange
places in the backyard: at the bottom of the deck steps, in her common
pathways, near the fence, etc.

We have noticed that when she starts to dump nowadays she typically
whines briefly or as long as a second or two. The whining is new. And
although the first poops are of normal hardness, she often continues
to squat and push for much longer than in the past. So the last bits
are normally very soft and more like baby poop. And what used to be a
10-15 second poop, turn, poop, sniff-and-trot away affair has turned
into a 25-30 second poop, slowly rotate, push and shiver.

The first time she defecated inside she had been very clingy as I was
washing clothes downstairs in the garage area. When I went to shoo her
away by gently pushing her butt forward she did the pained whine, spun
around, and hunched over and started popping them out.

She recently had conjunctivitis (pink eye pinkeye gooey ropey eye
boogers) and that cleared up after two weeks of ointment (no other
meds were given by the vet). BTW, we found that using moistened
spinning qtips to grab an edge of the booger and drag it out works
wonders. In case anyone needs help -- getting them out is a pain any
other way).

She has been on phenobarbs (for seizures) since she was probably 6
years old. 64mg twice a day. And so also Denosyl for her liver three
times a week (empty stomach only, 1 hour or more before food). I
wonder if her liver is getting shot and her ammonia is building up and
making her looney. That happens to human liver patients. The processed
food in the intestine creates ammonia, and a good liver rids the body
of it. A bad one has problems and ammonia is a bad thing. But a dog's
tract is so rapid I don't know if that same thing occurs.

We took her to the vet last week and the vet did a quick parasite test
(poked and microscoped sample) as well as prodded and expressed the
anal glands. She said nothing was apparently wrong except for the dogs
anus was a little reddened.

I just don't know. She was outside for quite a while before we went to
bed last night but it was obvious based on this morning's surprise
that she didn't dump last night. This was a massive pile. Which begs
another question: why is she putting out so much ? She used to be
50lbs, she's down to 40lbs now and although we are feeding her
slightly more (about a 1.25 cups 2x a day instead of 1cup 2x) maybe
she just can't digest the food properly nor control herself. I am
afraid she has a bigger problem like a tumor . Or we have read canine
lymphoma is a possibility given her symptoms.

So, the question is this: is she sick, or just getting old and
irregular?

Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. From now on we will just be
sure she goes every night and morning and might even keep her outside
more often than not. And in the meantime we are thinking about taking
her to a different vet.

Thanks again for any help.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:39 pm
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said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> So, the question is this: is she sick, or just getting old and
> irregular?

There's a lot going on, for sure (and thanks for such a thorough
post!).

Your vet has checked a lot of stuff, but how about the hips?
When Good Ol' geriatric Murphy started pooing inside (never
peeing), it was obvious that she wanted privacy from the
jostling of the other dogs. It hurt when she assumed the
position. As it turned out, she had pretty severe hip dysplasia
and probably wanted an agreeable surface and no interference.

Do you accompany your dog (does she have a name?) outside?

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:57 pm
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wrote:
> Happy holidays, everyone. Best to you all.
>
> We have a 9 year old lab mix who has started defecating inside the
> house. Second time was this morning in the bedroom on her dogbed. I
> fed her at 7am, she walked away from her food (which is given right by
> the door into the Poop Prairie, which is 1/4 acre and picked clean
> typically) and back into the bedroom . When I went to see if she had
> gone back to bed, I found the surprise.
>
> She hasn't urinated inside (not unexpectedly, anyway) so I think this
> might be a digestive tract problem only. After she dumped on her bed
> this morning we let her outside and only then did she urinate.
>
> Starting about a month or two ago, she started doing it in strange
> places in the backyard: at the bottom of the deck steps, in her common
> pathways, near the fence, etc.
>
> We have noticed that when she starts to dump nowadays she typically
> whines briefly or as long as a second or two. The whining is new. And
> although the first poops are of normal hardness, she often continues
> to squat and push for much longer than in the past. So the last bits
> are normally very soft and more like baby poop. And what used to be a
> 10-15 second poop, turn, poop, sniff-and-trot away affair has turned
> into a 25-30 second poop, slowly rotate, push and shiver.
>
> The first time she defecated inside she had been very clingy as I was
> washing clothes downstairs in the garage area. When I went to shoo her
> away by gently pushing her butt forward she did the pained whine, spun
> around, and hunched over and started popping them out.
>
> She recently had conjunctivitis (pink eye pinkeye gooey ropey eye
> boogers) and that cleared up after two weeks of ointment (no other
> meds were given by the vet). BTW, we found that using moistened
> spinning qtips to grab an edge of the booger and drag it out works
> wonders. In case anyone needs help -- getting them out is a pain any
> other way).
>
> She has been on phenobarbs (for seizures) since she was probably 6
> years old. 64mg twice a day. And so also Denosyl for her liver three
> times a week (empty stomach only, 1 hour or more before food). I
> wonder if her liver is getting shot and her ammonia is building up and
> making her looney. That happens to human liver patients. The processed
> food in the intestine creates ammonia, and a good liver rids the body
> of it. A bad one has problems and ammonia is a bad thing. But a dog's
> tract is so rapid I don't know if that same thing occurs.
>
> We took her to the vet last week and the vet did a quick parasite test
> (poked and microscoped sample) as well as prodded and expressed the
> anal glands. She said nothing was apparently wrong except for the dogs
> anus was a little reddened.
>
> I just don't know. She was outside for quite a while before we went to
> bed last night but it was obvious based on this morning's surprise
> that she didn't dump last night. This was a massive pile. Which begs
> another question: why is she putting out so much ? She used to be
> 50lbs, she's down to 40lbs now and although we are feeding her
> slightly more (about a 1.25 cups 2x a day instead of 1cup 2x) maybe
> she just can't digest the food properly nor control herself. I am
> afraid she has a bigger problem like a tumor . Or we have read canine
> lymphoma is a possibility given her symptoms.
>
> So, the question is this: is she sick, or just getting old and
> irregular?
>
> Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. From now on we will just be
> sure she goes every night and morning and might even keep her outside
> more often than not. And in the meantime we are thinking about taking
> her to a different vet.
>
> Thanks again for any help.

No expert here, but I also think I'd take her to a different vet,
maybe even an internal medicine specialist if one is available to
you. Has your vet done any blood work to look for liver failure,
or anything else? Did she examine a stool sample? Is there any
sign of blood (either red or dark & tarry-looking) or mucus in
the stool?

Two things raise a red flag for me: One is her weight loss
despite being fed larger portions, especially if it was rapid
(how long did it take for her to lose 10 lb?). The second is her
evident pain when she has a bowel movement. As others have
pointed out, that could be due to arthritis or hip dysplasia, but
would that account for the weight loss or the softer stools at
the end of her bowel movement?

I hope you find an answer for your girl soon.

FurPaw

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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:56 pm
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On Nov 17, 9:57 pm, FurPaw wrote:
> wrote:
> > Happy holidays, everyone. Best to you all.
>
> > We have a 9 year old lab mix who has started defecating inside the
> > house. Second time was this morning in the bedroom on her dogbed. I
> > fed her at 7am, she walked away from her food (which is given right by
> > the door into the Poop Prairie, which is 1/4 acre and picked clean
> > typically) and back into the bedroom . When I went to see if she had
> > gone back to bed, I found the surprise.
>
> > She hasn't urinated inside (not unexpectedly, anyway) so I think this
> > might be a digestive tract problem only. After she dumped on her bed
> > this morning we let her outside and only then did she urinate.
>
> > Starting about a month or two ago, she started doing it in strange
> > places in the backyard: at the bottom of the deck steps, in her common
> > pathways, near the fence, etc.
>
> > We have noticed that when she starts to dump nowadays she typically
> > whines briefly or as long as a second or two. The whining is new. And
> > although the first poops are of normal hardness, she often continues
> > to squat and push for much longer than in the past. So the last bits
> > are normally very soft and more like baby poop. And what used to be a
> > 10-15 second poop, turn, poop, sniff-and-trot away affair has turned
> > into a 25-30 second poop, slowly rotate, push and shiver.
>
> > The first time she defecated inside she had been very clingy as I was
> > washing clothes downstairs in the garage area. When I went to shoo her
> > away by gently pushing her butt forward she did the pained whine, spun
> > around, and hunched over and started popping them out.
>
> > She recently had conjunctivitis (pink eye pinkeye gooey ropey eye
> > boogers) and that cleared up after two weeks of ointment (no other
> > meds were given by the vet). BTW, we found that using moistened
> > spinning qtips to grab an edge of the booger and drag it out works
> > wonders. In case anyone needs help -- getting them out is a pain any
> > other way).
>
> > She has been on phenobarbs (for seizures) since she was probably 6
> > years old. 64mg twice a day. And so also Denosyl for her liver three
> > times a week (empty stomach only, 1 hour or more before food). I
> > wonder if her liver is getting shot and her ammonia is building up and
> > making her looney. That happens to human liver patients. The processed
> > food in the intestine creates ammonia, and a good liver rids the body
> > of it. A bad one has problems and ammonia is a bad thing. But a dog's
> > tract is so rapid I don't know if that same thing occurs.
>
> > We took her to the vet last week and the vet did a quick parasite test
> > (poked and microscoped sample) as well as prodded and expressed the
> > anal glands. She said nothing was apparently wrong except for the dogs
> > anus was a little reddened.
>
> > I just don't know. She was outside for quite a while before we went to
> > bed last night but it was obvious based on this morning's surprise
> > that she didn't dump last night. This was a massive pile. Which begs
> > another question: why is she putting out so much ? She used to be
> > 50lbs, she's down to 40lbs now and although we are feeding her
> > slightly more (about a 1.25 cups 2x a day instead of 1cup 2x) maybe
> > she just can't digest the food properly nor control herself. I am
> > afraid she has a bigger problem like a tumor . Or we have read canine
> > lymphoma is a possibility given her symptoms.
>
> > So, the question is this: is she sick, or just getting old and
> > irregular?
>
> > Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. From now on we will just be
> > sure she goes every night and morning and might even keep her outside
> > more often than not. And in the meantime we are thinking about taking
> > her to a different vet.
>
> > Thanks again for any help.
>
> No expert here, but I also think I'd take her to a different vet,
> maybe even an internal medicine specialist if one is available to
> you. Has your vet done any blood work to look for liver failure,
> or anything else? Did she examine a stool sample? Is there any
> sign of blood (either red or dark & tarry-looking) or mucus in
> the stool?
>
> Two things raise a red flag for me: One is her weight loss
> despite being fed larger portions, especially if it was rapid
> (how long did it take for her to lose 10 lb?). The second is her
> evident pain when she has a bowel movement. As others have
> pointed out, that could be due to arthritis or hip dysplasia, but
> would that account for the weight loss or the softer stools at
> the end of her bowel movement?
>
> I hope you find an answer for your girl soon.
>
> FurPaw
>
> --
> "Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
> every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
> a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
> those who are cold and are not clothed."
> - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>
> To reply, unleash the dog.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks to everyone for their FIRST post.

HOWE, I appreciate your first post. Even so, you or your bot is
wasting alot of other posters' energy here and since the people of the
USA are already horribly wasteful without your help, why don't you lay
off a little. I hope you can cease the repeated foolish replies to
everyone who posts in these groups or at least limit them to one per
thread. Not three or four. Thanks in advance.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:49 pm
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HOWEDY dalehollow,

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> On Nov 17, 9:57 pm, FurPaw wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > Happy holidays, everyone. Best to you all.
>>
>> > We have a 9 year old lab mix who has started defecating inside the
>> > house. Second time was this morning in the bedroom on her dogbed.
<snip>
>> > She hasn't urinated inside (not unexpectedly, anyway) so I think this
>> > might be a digestive tract problem only. After she dumped on her bed
>> > this morning we let her outside and only then did she urinate.
<snip>
>> > Starting about a month or two ago, she started doing it in
>> > strange places in the backyard: at the bottom of the deck
>> > steps, in her common pathways, near the fence, etc.
<snip>
>> > We have noticed that when she starts to dump nowadays she
>> > typically whines briefly or as long as a second or two. The
>> > whining is new. And although the first poops are of normal
>> > hardness, she often continues to squat and push for much longer
>> > than in the past. So the last bits are normally very soft and more
>> > like baby poop. And what used to be a 10-15 second poop, turn,
>> > poop, sniff-and-trot away affair has turned into a 25-30 second
>> > poop, slowly rotate, push and shiver.
<snip>
>> > The first time she defecated inside she had been very clingy as
>> > I was washing clothes downstairs in the garage area. When I
>> > went to shoo her away by gently pushing her butt forward she
>> > did the pained whine, spun around, and hunched over and started
>> > popping them out.
<snip>
>> > maybe she just can't digest the food properly nor control herself.
>> > I am afraid she has a bigger problem like a tumor . Or we have
>> > read canine lymphoma is a possibility given her symptoms.
<snip>
>> > So, the question is this: is she sick, or just getting old and
>> > irregular?
<snip>
>> > Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. From now on
>> > we will just be sure she goes every night and morning and
>> > might even keep her outside more often than not.
<snip>
>> > And in the meantime we are thinking about
>> > taking her to a different vet.
>>
>> > Thanks again for any help.
>>
>> No expert here, but I also think I'd take her to a different vet,
>> maybe even an internal medicine specialist if one is available to
>> you. Has your vet done any blood work to look for liver failure,
>> or anything else? Did she examine a stool sample? Is there any
>> sign of blood (either red or dark & tarry-looking) or mucus in
>> the stool?
>>
>> Two things raise a red flag for me: One is her weight loss
>> despite being fed larger portions, especially if it was rapid
>> (how long did it take for her to lose 10 lb?). The second is her
>> evident pain when she has a bowel movement. As others have
>> pointed out, that could be due to arthritis or hip dysplasia, but
>> would that account for the weight loss or the softer stools at
>> the end of her bowel movement?
>>
>> I hope you find an answer for your girl soon.
>>
>> FurPaw

> Thanks to everyone for their FIRST post.

That's CONsiderate of you, dale <{}: ~ ) >

> HOWE,

You mean The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard,
dale.

I've been NUTHIN but SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, KINDLY,
POLITE, and UNDERSTANDING, and would EXXXPECT
none the less in return.

WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

> I appreciate your first post.

Well THANK YOU, dale. HOWEver, I FAILED to NOTICE
your reply. Nor did you answer any of the QUESTIONS implied.

> Even so, you or your bot

Do you really think a BOT could keep up with my punishing workload?
Even a BOT would have to spend more time defraggin than I do <{}'; ~ )
>

> is wasting alot of other posters' energy here

You mean the PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN LYIN
ANIMAL MURDERIN PUNK THUG COWARD ACTIVE
ACCUTE CHRONIC LIFE LONG INCURABLE MALIGNANT
MENTAL CASES whom I've IDENTIFIED, EXXXPOSED and
DISCREDITED by CITING their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
of LIES ABUSE MENTAL ILLNESS and their own DEAD and
DEATHLY ILL dogs' STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES a.k.a. The Puppy Wizards's Syndrome?

> and since the people of the USA are already
> horribly wasteful without your help,

You mean the good folks, like yourself, dale?

> why don't you lay off a little.

Oh, you mean so these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic life long
incurable malignant mental cases can ABUSE you in the
manner you've become accustomed?

> I hope you can cease the repeated foolish replies

You mean the CITED POSTED CASE HISTORIES of
LIES, ANIMAL ABUSE and MURDER and MENTAL
ILLNESS of each of the posters who've blown smoke
up your arse, dale?

if you got ANY QUESTION as to whatever I sez is TRUE,
you can LOOK IT ALL UP YOURSELF RIGHT HERE.

> to everyone who posts in these groups

ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS AND MENTAL
CASES POST HERE, dale. And if you look REAL CLOSE,
you'll NOTICE that *YOU* are postin your THANKS to the
DOG ABUSIN MENTAL CASES who've been blowin SMOKE
UP YOUR ignorameHOWES arse, dale.

Sorry if that SEEMS RUDE, but that's as KINDLY
as the salient POINT can be made, dale <{}: ~ ( >

> or at least limit them to one per thread.

That'd make ignorameHOWESES like those who've
REPLIED to your post seem CREDIBLE, wouldn't it, dale?

> Not three or four.

Well dale, if there's other ignorameHOWESES who'd
like to have a crack at answerin your question, rest
assured they'll be treated with the SAME RESPECT
I've EXXXTENDED towards the other MENTAL
PATIENTS who've been askin you the same questions
that you'd already STATED the answers to in your post
and recommendin the SAME IGNORAMEHOWS
answers as the others have.

> Thanks in advance.

You ain't gotta be so POLITE, dale.

Let's talk abHOWET your dogs' seizures and PROBABLE
irritable BHOWEL syndrome, shall we? HOWE have you
TRAINED your dog, and HOWE have you CORRECTED
ITS HOWEsbreakin PROBLEMS and what kind of commercial
garbage dog food have you been feedin IT?

Lockin your dog HOWEtside and PREYIN she's got CANCER
AIN'T a satisfactory SOLUTION for a STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizards's
Syndrome.

IF your dog AIN'T DYIN of some EXXXOTIC DIS-EASE, she's
got a very common CONdition of irritable BHOWEL syndrome,
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

I've given you ALL the INFORMATION YOU NEED.

Whether you'll abide by it or not is YOUR CHOICE.

Bein the decent American that you are, we
KNOW you'll DO THE RIGHT THING.

You've probably already started studyin your own FREE
COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizards' 100% CON-
SISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual <{}: ~ ) >

So, the only thing I got left to hope for is for WON of HOWER
own veterinary malpracticioners to post their "ADVICE" so I
can IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT THEM based
on their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES of LIES ABUSE
and MALPRACTICE <{}: ~ ) >

"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.

"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich Schiller.

INDEEDY.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLDS' CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >

HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
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Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:53 am
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This was my first thought to that I'd bet he has some arthritis and it's
painful to squat. It would be unusual for a 9 year old lab not to have
some. I think I'd talk to the vet about some pain medication for a few days
to see if you get any improvement in the pooping inside.

Celeste

"Rocky" wrote in message

> said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
>
>> So, the question is this: is she sick, or just getting old and
>> irregular?
>
> There's a lot going on, for sure (and thanks for such a thorough
> post!).
>
> Your vet has checked a lot of stuff, but how about the hips?
> When Good Ol' geriatric Murphy started pooing inside (never
> peeing), it was obvious that she wanted privacy from the
> jostling of the other dogs. It hurt when she assumed the
> position. As it turned out, she had pretty severe hip dysplasia
> and probably wanted an agreeable surface and no interference.
>
> Do you accompany your dog (does she have a name?) outside?
>
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:55 am
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HERE'S PROOF
Part II

Subject: Help With Barking

HOWEDY "**Dalin**",

"**Dalin**" wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:31:39 -0400, montana wildhack
> wrote:
>
>>On 2007-09-21 09:31:14 -0400, **Dalin** said:
>>
>>> I guess that's why I thought perhaps telling her
>>> she was a good girl for warning me might work.

Praising "BAD BEHAVIORS" ALWAYS WORKS on ALL critters.

>>That can be a good tactic.

Sez buggy sky? She's a lyin animal murderin mental case.

>> Here's the thing, after you praise her, you let her know
>> you're on top of the situation and then you need to have
>> her do something else,

NO. That'll REINFORCE the "BAD BEHAVIOR" and then
you'll end up HUTING the dog again to PUNISH IT <{}: ~ ( >

>> like leave the area where she was barking and come to you.

NO. For the same reason as "food rewards" DISTRACT the
dog from THINKING of a behavior they've just "learned",
ANY PHYSICAL distraction will likeWIZE DIMINISH
the dog's ability to RETAIN the LESSON you're trying to
teach <{}: ~ ( >

>> And stop barking.

No. You WANT the dog to attempt to RESUME the "BAD
BEHAVIOR" several times in succession so's you can effectively
PERMENTANTELY EXXXTINGUISH IT <{}: ~ ) >

>> But she has to be trained to do the "something else".

NO. Giving alternate incompatible behaviors DOES NOT
TRAIN the dog NOT TO DO the "BAD BEHAVIOR" in
the first place, AND, if a "REWARD" is given for DOIN
the ALTERNATE INCOMPATIBLE BEHAVIOR the
dog will quickly LEARN to DO the "BAD BEHAVIOR"
so's his imbecile idiot owner will ask for an incompatible
alternate behavior followed by a REWARD <{}: ~ ( >

>> Did you look at the link Jack provided of
>> the Yorkie that did all those tricks?

Yeah? That simpleton didn't know MOST of
the basic commands I asked it <{}: ~ ( >

>>That dog has just as many "natural instincts" as yours.

No, that dog is a computer program. Even a three week old
puppy dog can HOWEtwit the cunning of ANY domestic
puppy dog trainer, computer programer or university trained /
veterinary behaviorist <{}'; ~ ) >

>> Not everyone can train to that extent,

That's SHEER IDIOCY. ANY FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD
can train their dog to naturally want to DO ANY THING
they ask if they simply have their mommy read them my
manual <{}: ~ ) >

>> but some training is important.

OBEDIENCE TRAINING is HOWE COME dogs HAVE
temperament and behavior problems and DIE from STRESS
INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES like BRAIN
HAEMORRHAGE like Binaca Beth In Alaska's DEAD
DOG JUST DONE <{}:* ~ ( >

>> Also, the fact that your dog can behave well WHILE
>> CAMPING tells me that she has trained you that she
>>should behave one way at home and one way elsewhere.

That's SHEER IDIOCY. "**Dalin**"'s dog barks at her
HOWES on accHOWENTA it's her TERRORTORY.
She got NUTHIN to PROTECT in a campgrHOWEND
or motel... THINK abHOWET IT; the dog AIN'T PROTECTIN
her abusive owner, she's protecting her pupperty <{}: ~ ( >

> Thought I would let you know that your idea

buggy sky was blowin smoke up your ignorameHOWES arse.

> (and Howie's (?)

You mean Jerry Howe, Director Of Research, Human
And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory, a.k.a., The SincerelyIncredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
Wizard <{}: ~ ) >

> was the one that is doing the trick.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard DON'T TRAIN "TRICK"
dogs, "**Dalin**" <{}: ~ ( >

> I praise her for letting me know she has alerted me to
> someone at the door. At first she was surprised, but I
> would pick her up and tell her "Thank you" and how
> good she was and the hysterical barking went down to
> a dull roar, then to a little 'woof, woof" and a small growl.

Second to these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic life
long incurable malignant MENTAL CASES you been
rubbin elbHOWES with "**Dalin**", what The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard FEARS and HATES
MOST is a LAZY, SLOVENLY "student" who'll un-
intentionally, throgh the MAGICK of EXXXTREME
ignorameHOWESITY and LAZINESS, BASTARDIZE
MY METHODS and thereby teach other pathetic malignant
ignorameHOWESES do do likeWIZE, consequently causing
them to FAIL to get their own 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS and will CONsequently
HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs when "PRAISING"
them FAILS MISERABLY <{}:* ~ ( >

> Now when someone comes to the door she give a couple
> of sharp barks and low growls before I can even get to her.

You CLEARLY NEVER READ The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANT SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method Manual <{}: ~ ) >

> And I'm not sure I want her to stop doing that since
> it is her nature being a terrier to be a watchdog.

That's SHEER IDIOCY:

A DOG Is A DOG;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
As A GOAT Is A GOAT;
As A Ferret Is A Ferret;
As A Monkey Is A Monkey;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

> The same with her barking at the squirrels in the yard from the deck.

The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific
And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
For All Handler's And All Critters,
And ALL Behaviors
In ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES,
ALL OVER The Whole Wild World,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your Own FREE Copy Of
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
***FREE***
WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey
Training Method Manual<{) ; ~ )>

You wanna know HOWE COME? On accHOWENTA
EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS WORK on ALL
critters <{}: ~ ) >

> I go out and stand with her, bend down, pet her and say
> "Thank you for showing me the squirrel, let's watch it
> together" and she calms right down.

You GOT LUCKY, "**Dalin*". PHYSICALLY TOUCHIN
the dog will REINFORCE the "BAD BEHAVIOR" <{}: ~ ( >

> Some low growls, an occasional sharp bark when the
> squirrel moves or runs, but no more hysterical barking.

Well then, THAT AIN'T the fault of The METHOD,
it's a PREDICTABLE RESULT of NOT STUDYING
and APPLYING the 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL NON PHYSICAL Pavlovian
and Ericksonian Techniques PRECISELY <{}: ~ ( >

http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

> It only took a few times too.

Naaah? You mean instead of jerkin chokin shockin
an sprayin aversives in her face an payin $700.00
bucks to "Bark Busters" to teach you HOWE to
jerk choke intimdiate and spray aversives in your
dog's face like HOWE "Blothar The Wombat" done?

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!

> Some of you called Howie

You mean Jerry Howe, Director Of Research, Human
And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory, a.k.a., The SincerelyIncredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
Wizard <{}: ~ ) >

> a crazy old man

Oh, PERHAPS THAT'S on accHOWENTA Jerry
Howe has been IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING
and DISCREDITING these pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
MENTAL CASES <{}: ~ ) >

> but he gave me the same advice you did Montana,

NO, buggy sky was blowin smoke up your ignorameHOWES
lazy arse, "**Dalin**" and you STILL DON'T GET IT, do you.

> and it worked.

My methods work JUST LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK
on ALL dogs for ALL behaviors and ALL handlers
ALL OVER the HOWEL WILD WORLD <{}: ~ ) >

> I suspect all her training will go much better now.

PROBABLY NOT.

> One would never think to praise a dog for bad behavior

Well then you never read my post "Praising Bad Behaviors
Is GOOD". professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI,
marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS
Face For Five Scconds And Lock IT In A Box For Ten
Minutes Contemplation" dermer, responded to it in less time
than it took me to RE READ it sayin it was THE BEAST
treatise on behaviorISM he's ever read <{}: ~ ) >

> but I guess she just didn't think it was bad to show me
> someone was at the door or there was a squirrel invading
> her territory.

Of curse not <{}'; ~ ) >

> From now she will get praise for doing what I
> think is wrong but she obviously thinks is right.

I strongly SUGGEST you STUDY your own FREE COPY
of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
***FREE***
WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey
Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ )>

> So thanks to you Montana and to "Howie" too. :-)

buggy sky was fixin to MURDER the litter of puppies
her "RESCUE" dog accidentally dropped the night pryor
to her appointment for her SPAY ABORTION <{}: ~ ( >

> It may not work for all dogs,

Oh? Then THAT would be on accHOWENTA
the ignorameHOWES NEVER FOLLOWED
The INSTRUCTIONS PRECISELY and failed
to ASK for any additional FREE HEELP they
may have needed and will ultimately HURT
their dogs as they PREFER <{}: ~ ( >

> but for Shadow, a soft voice and praise is the key. :-)

Naaaah?

> Dalin

You ain't gotta say "THANK YOU The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard <{}: ~ ) >"

HOWEver, if you PREFER, here's a few serving suggestions.

You MIGHT wanna try sumpthin LIKE THIS:

From: MArtog
Date: Thurs, Jan 18 2001 7:51 am
Email: MArtog
In article ,

Jos... RemoveThis @Rosenblatt.com wrote:
> Ummm OK
> and if you didn't want Dog'butt' or anyone else to
> raad it.. why didn't you just email Jerry your thanks?
> I smell a rat....
> Bye Bye

Last reply/post from me just to explain to Joshua.
Then I'm outta here (yippee).

No I was not trying to TROLL. I wanted to post a
thank you to Jerry. That's it. Never said I didn't

want anyone else to read it. I did say that I knew
DogButt would read it even thoe it wasn't for him.
He thinks everything in here is his business.

So he had to post some childish response because he
can't help it. He is sooo predictable. He will read
this too and again post a childish response. If he
doesn't, it will show a strength of will that I don't
believe he has.

Not trying to be a rat or anything else. I clearly said
what I wanted to say about Jerry's help with my dog problem.

It is sad that this group is still so antagonistic all the time.

There is a lot of knowledge here, but it is rarely
disseminated in a kindly manner. Most newbies get
ran off in fairly short order, and go over to r.p.d.breeds
where people are much freindlier. Seems like most
posters in here have been around each other too long.

Some sort of internet cabin fever or something (IMHO).

Anyway, I won't be reading your's or DogButt's reply. So
feel free to go at each other's throats as usual,flame me
and my post, whatever.

Again, thanks Jerry and all of you have a nice day......
well except you DogButt!

Maybe Jerry can help you stop eating sh-t!

BYE!

------------

From: AIMEE ( )
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would

relieve himself in the house and I would point
at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the
house or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.

You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

-----------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
many people are so dang blind or ignorant.

You just keep plugging away at what you do,
because you my friend are a life saver!!!

Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
of your product, you have my number. We would gladly
talk to them.

Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...

Anthony & Linda Testa
Jacksonville, Florida

----------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

From: JesuMaria@.com
To: jho... RemoveThis @bellsouth.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual

Thanks, Jerry! All pages were received and
downloaded without any problems!

God bless you! Please know that you will
be remembered in all prayers and sacrifices,
and daily before the Most Blessed Sacrament
here in our Chapel.

With many prayers,
Sister Anthony Marie

----------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into
ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic
Behavior at UofWI, pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),

--Marshall

Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der... RemoveThis @uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

Subject: Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE
(Ninnyboy)

26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001
Email: der... RemoveThis @alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
In article
(Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.

--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.

*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED CASE}
HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)

Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201

der... RemoveThis @uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
To: "Jerry Howe"
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

------------------------------------------

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?

Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and
significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

-----------------------------

SEE? SEE?? SEE???

"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter
selbst vergebens!" -Friedrich Schiller.

"Against stupidity the Gods themselves
contend in vain."

INDEEDY.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >

HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
(Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
E-mail:

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:27 am
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wrote in message

> We have noticed that when she starts to dump nowadays she typically
> whines briefly or as long as a second or two. The whining is new. And
> although the first poops are of normal hardness, she often continues
> to squat and push for much longer than in the past. So the last bits
> are normally very soft and more like baby poop.

........very soft stools are harder to expel and lead to straining. Have you
changed the food at all recently?

> She recently had conjunctivitis (pink eye pinkeye gooey ropey eye
> boogers) and that cleared up after two weeks of ointment

..........don't know what this signifies - could just be depressed immune
system.
>
> She has been on phenobarbs (for seizures) since she was probably 6
> years old. 64mg twice a day. And so also Denosyl for her liver three
> times a week (empty stomach only, 1 hour or more before food

She used to be
> 50lbs, she's down to 40lbs now

........she needs a complete blood workup, especially since she's been on
phenobarb for so long. How often do you get the liver function checked?

http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/phenobarbital.htm

You may want to consider potassium bromide:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/seizure_disorder.html

It may be arthritis, but before giving any extra meds you need to have the
liver checked out.

buglady
take out the dog before replying
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:49 pm
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said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> HOWE I am starting to appreciate your humor and replies.
> Disregard my previous post :^) . Thanks again, I don't
> know HOWE you do it over and over.

You've started off well by conversing with the lunatic and
following his crossposting and odd lingo. After this response,
you're in my short term loony bin. I'm giving you the benefit
of the doubt that you'll wise up.

My only advice, in addition what I offered before, and to which
you didn't respond, is to pay attention to buglady's advice as
it pertains to the AEDs your dog is taking.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:47 pm
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Hey folks, just in case you don't know, this guy HOWE and anyone who
gives you ANY website links to click on should be regarded as guilty
until proven innocent when it comes to WEBSITES.

NEVER CLICK ON ANY LINK ANYONE POSTS ON USENET.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Best to you. The dog is feeling better we think. I will post full
details later once I am sure.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:16 am
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Dog is fine now. The vet did this and that. Blood tests indicate we
should up her Denosyl to 4x a week, and the vet gave us some butt
ointment along with 10 metronidazole tabs. Wanted to pack her rectal
glands with antibiotics but would have needed to put her out to do
that so we opted to save the money that would have cost to buy bug
spray for our but infested cabins. Humans first of course.

After about 2 days of metronidazole she stopped whining and turds look
better now.

Case closed. Have a good one, folks!
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