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Ellie

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:34 am
Post subject: APBT for adoption
Archived from groups: rec>pets>dogs>rescue (more info?)

We are looking for a new kind and safe home for our 4 yr old Pit Bull. She
is a real lover and loves to be warm and cozy. She is fabulous with people
and kids, though she tends to be a little rambunctious so she can be a tad
overwhelming for the little ones. (Though we have an almost 2 yr old that
she is great with).

She is black and white brindle, current on shots, and has a beautiful coat
and face.

It is breaking our hearts to find her a new home, but it has become
necessary as she and our other Pit do not get along. It has been a long
road to get to this decision, and choosing which dog has to go has been a
nightmare. We finally picked her because she is the most adaptable and a
very happy-go-lucky dog, but we will miss her dreadfully and would like to
keep track of her (and even visit) once she moves on.

I can email pictures to anyone who may be able to give her a good home. We
would prefer someone with experience with the breed. Also she would need to
be the only pet in the house.

Thank you for any help.

Hopeful in AZ

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:36 pm
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HOWEDY Ellie,

"Ellie" <yukkyspam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> We are looking for a new kind and safe home for our 4 yr old Pit
Bull.

Well, that's nice.

> She is a real lover and loves to be warm and cozy.

Good. I'll bet you love her.

> She is fabulous with people and kids, though she tends to
> be a little rambunctious so she can be a tad overwhelming
> for the little ones. (Though we have an almost 2 yr old that
> she is great with).

Right. Almost perfect.

> She is black and white brindle, current on shots, and has a
beautiful
> coat and face.

SHOWENDS cute.

> It is breaking our hearts to find her a new home,

Must be.

> but it has become necessary as she and our other Pit do not get
along.

Oh. That's caused by mishandling. That's EZ to fix if you know
HOWE.

> It has been a long road to get to this decision,

You mean, to the decision that you got to dump WON of your
dogs cause you don't know HOWE to train them?

> and choosing which dog has to go has been a nightmare.

INDEEDY. Perhaps that's HOWE COME they're fighting.

> We finally picked her because she is the most adaptable and a
> very happy-go-lucky dog, but we will miss her dreadfully and
would
> like to keep track of her (and even visit) once she moves on.

Visiting her will cause her much stress. Don't.

> I can email pictures to anyone who may be able to give her a
good home.

You won't have to dump your dog if you study your FREE copy of The
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
and ask The Puppy Wizard if you need any additional free heelp.

> We would prefer someone with experience with the breed.

A dog is a dog. Perhaps that's HOWE COME you can't train them.

> Also she would need to be the only pet in the house.

You think cause you can't train your dogs, noWON else can?

> Thank you for any help.

Dumpin dogs isn't apupriate.

> Hopeful in AZ


"Nevyn" <greatdane.DeleteThis@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:1061695905.896739@grimiore.conceptual.net.au...

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn


Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control
psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of
weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked
me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and
she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her!

it is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the
"Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A
masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.

Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.

Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn

Nevyn says:
How are you?

Jerry says:
sup?

Nevyn says:
Oh nothing

Nevyn says:

My dogs are alot better now!

Jerry says:
fine

Jerry says:
tell me

Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they
don't give a #@% about other dogs

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
Yup

Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?

Nevyn says:
No

Nevyn says:
Praised them

Jerry says:
ahh!

Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better

Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only
coz he swears at them and pours water on them

Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!

Nevyn says:
muahaha

Jerry says:
ok

Jerry says:
I'll go for that

Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the
neighbor thing if you're consistent

Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them

Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends

Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath

Nevyn says:
muahahaha

Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them
they're suckin hind teat?

Nevyn says:
eh

Nevyn says:
nah

Nevyn says:
cant

Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin

Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it

Jerry says:
why not.

Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server

Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers
who would prefer to see you choke and shock
and lock your dogs in a box?

Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that
they don't already know, huh?

Nevyn says:
hah

Nevyn says:
tell them they're fuckers who need to die

Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much

Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now

Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?

Nevyn says:
pfftt

Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training

Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual

Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!

Jerry says:
hhahahahaha

Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune
with EVERYTHING you're wanting them to do?

Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.

Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can
swing by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling
at his dogs???

Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Nevyn says:
LOL

Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!

Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune

=====================

Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when
a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL

Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!

Nevyn says:
lol

Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.

Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------

From: Nevyn (alien4@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Newsgroups: rec. pets. dogs. behavior

Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST

Hello

I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural)
x Pug (don't laugh!).

They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and
they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is
obviously dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem
with that, however;

Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good
whilst I'm walking them, some days they are not. They are 3
years old and have only been walking for about 12 months
because my mom didn't walk them and now I'm home so I
walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take
them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.

This is my problem :

The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we
walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when
she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn't,
using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in
her mouth when she barks.

She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]

Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG,
when the other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the
other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking
one
attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash... it is
quite disturbing to the people walking past.

And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs...
SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them,
and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The
less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings
there dog to the park.

How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the
methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon.
Is it just a pac k-behaviour thing?

It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some
old lady's or little girl's dog.

They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other
dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying
around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up
trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went
straight to bed when I bought them home!).

Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails
address, alien4.DeleteThis@wasp.net.au coz this list is tooo crowded.

Thanks,
Nevyn

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 7:40 pm
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HOWEDY Ellie,

"Ellie" <yukkyspam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thank you for any help.

You won't be gettin no heelp from HOWER dog lovers.
They won't tell you HOWE to train your dogs cause only
The Puppy Wizard can do THAT, and your PALS here
would rather you HURT OR KILL your dog rather than
admit The Puppy Wizard can rehabilitate your dog NEARLY
INSTANTLY, maybe faster.

> Hopeful in AZ

Here's Valerie's story:

6/3/02, Three days after starting WEDTM...


"Seeing Spots (Val)" <Holmes.V.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical
> contact and she does seem to listen better than when
> I would praise with it. I agree that it is a distraction.
> Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since
> I started the Witts End.

------------


Sellin Your Immortal Soul To The Puppy Wizzzard:
"A Contract Signed In Werewoolf And Elf Blood"

From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holmes.V@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST

HEY!!!

There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL
Dalmatian who is a real sweet dog with
a few issues that I am working to resolve
after adopting her from a shelter
she spent 2 years in.

All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.

There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.

My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to separate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.

Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out
of the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the
guy is pretty clever, you're letting him get
under your skin. It makes for a very amusing
game I think. I'm sure he would agree,
or he wouldn't be playing everyday.

He also wouldn't be playing if he
didn't believe that his method of
training weren't valid.

Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes,
but so far, using the Witts End, I have
gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to
look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.

I have changed her from an aggressive
dog to one who is willing to please her
owner, willing to listen, willing to assume
her role in the pack.

The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking

P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing into me, ok?

===============


Friday, 5/31/02:
HOWEDY Valerie,

"Valerie M. Holmes" <Holmes.V.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
message news:vVAJ8.14474$LC3.1002840@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> I recently adopted a female, spayed
> 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian from a no-kill shelter.

Nice goin.

> She spent 2 years in the shelter and
> naturally she has some socialization
> issues to overcome.

Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling
for a long time shouldn't have problems
associated with it if the facility was reasonable,
and if they're not killin dogs they couldn't be
as cruel as our dog lovers like janet boss, john
richardson, and mikey ball, who gladly help
dogs DIE.

> My problem is I am not quite sure HOW
> to tackle these issues.

Don't worry about it! I got all the answers
and none of the calories. All ya got to do is
agree to do anything Jerry sez and you get
the aluminum funnel hat, membership card,
secret password, secret decoder ring, secret
fan club privilidges, secret FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual, secret FREE
Wits' End Dog Training Method member's
benefits, and secret Contract Signed In
Werewoolf And Elf Blood with a lifetime
GUARANTEE, NEVER to have a dog
behavior problem again and your dog will
ALWAYS WANT to do as you ask.

IMPOSSIBLE? It gets EVEN BETTER!

Stick around...

> 1. She is aggresive toward **ALL** other dogs,

Ooops! WE got a TOUGH problem here.
I hope you're fit, dog training is a physical
skill not easily learned through books, the
written word just can't SHOW you the precise
moves necessary for commanding a dog.

Every dog is an individual, and we got to
SEE the behaviors to even GUESS what's
going on with your dog. THEN we got to
formulate a training program based on the
individual dog's requirements for physical
and emotional PRESSURE and learn the
fine art of attrition and have the expertise
to hurt your dog PRECICELY, and ONLY
WHEN NECESSARY.

But FIRST, a trip to the vet is in order.
Any sudden changes in behavior needs
to be examined by the veterinarian and
he'll be able to give you a referral to such
an expert who knows HOWE and when to
HURT your dog properly to make it friendly
or advise you when to KILL IT, TO BE FAIR.

So, tomorrow morning call your vet and make
an appointment in 15 days to put your dog to sleep.
Ask him HOWE MUCH.

Hang up the phone and SPEAK TO NO ONE!!!

SAY NOTHING TILL you put that money into
an envelope with your dog's name PRINTED
on it in UPPER CASE thingys.

MAKE SURE you GO DIRECTLY TO THE
BANK, SPEAK NOTHING!, and withdraw
ONLY NEW BILLS!

If you cannot obtain NEW currency KEEP
GOIN! We need CLEAN MONEY for this
SACRIFICE.

When you accept this money DO NOT TOUCH!
HAVE THE TELLER PUT THE BILLS INTO THE
ENVELOPE AND SEAL IT.

ASK HER TO PRINT YOUR DOG'S NAME ON THE BACK,

Ooops! DON'T! That's just an expression.

Hand the teller a note. DON'T SPEAK!

NOT THE FRONT. THE BACK OF THE SACRIFICIAL
ENVELOPE IN UPPER CASE THINGY'S.

Now you can speak, but don't, nobody will
believe you. Trust me. Take the envelope
to your HOWES and put it inside your
pillow case and FORGET ABOUT IT.

Don't need that for two weeks yet.

> even dogs that have shown that they
> are willing to be submissive.

Oooops? What's that mean? I don't understand
doggietalkie. You mean she attacks other dogs,
boys, girls, puppys, all dogs?

Good. That tells me we got consistency going
for us, to fix it.

When does she get an opportunity to have
a dog cower?

> Upon sight of a dog, she lunges and snarls.

O.K., that's GOOD! That tells me we can
probably break the lunging in a few minutes
of work. Maybe five, but we'll need to repeat
it a few times to generalize the idea. And
we'll need to do a little work to learn to handle
her properly, maybe an hour over several 15
minute sessions and a half dozen 5 minute sessions.

I hope your ciphering is keepin up with us.

> 2. She is usually kind and affectionate
> toward her owner (me),

Well, usually? I don't like usually. I like always,
consistent,100%, that's what's good. Always consistent.

Consistent behaviors change to other, often seemingly
un-related, consistent behaviors.

Dogs like consistency too, but not repression.

You'll see.

> but recently began turning sour

Ooops! That's good. That tells me the rest
of the problem is as I thought, JUST a little mishandling.

I'll teach youevery thing you need to know.

We're about half way done training aready.

WATCH!

> and for no apparent reason

All problem dog behaviors are a PREDICTABLE
direct result of our ineffective and inappropriate
responses to our dog's innate normal natural
instinctive reflexive responses to circumstances
of their environment WE create for them.

I'll teach you HOWE to train yourself to
respond differently to your dog's instinctive
reflexes to you, which will cause your dog
to reflex differently to your CONDITIONED
reflexive responses and interactions towards
him, compelling him to NATURALLY WANT
to do EVERY THING you ask, cause THAT'S
THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.

Once YOU have learned proper handling
techniques and appropriate non physical
control through conditioned distraction and
praise *(ABOUT 2 HRS WORK, maybe less,)
you'll be able to negotiate any obstacle LIKE
MAGICK, relying on scientific conditioning
and desensitization techniques and demonstrated
self control as explained in our Contract.. err,
your FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual available, ahem, for FREE.

Unless you got that one in a BAZILLION
dog that's gonna throw Jerry the dew claw.
Don't let that happen. I'll work you through
the whole process and you'll see results
tommorow.

You'll have the behavior in pretty good shape
in a week, and in about ten days we should
be ready to start introducing her to a couple
select dogs in about fifteen minutes of work
and then we'll repeat that again a couple
times and again with a couple moore dogs
and then we'll be ready to start with the first
dog again for the off lead introduction and
you're DONE.

Oooops! PROBLEMO. My arithmetic sez
we're gonna need a couple moore days to
work this introduction business till the
aggression is thouroghly and permenantely
extinguished. If we break our Contract, I'm
err, shall we say OUTTA HERE FOREVER?

Of course I could handle this a lot faster in
person myself cause I can control you and
your dog to insure the result, so nobody's
got to do nothin noHOWE, but speak when
I ask, and hush as I speak and relish each
word like candy you'd eat, and jump when
I say, ask HOWE HIGH and salute, and
tout tributes to Jerry's manual whenever
you open your mouth...

That's all. Oh, and one other thing... I hope
you don't faint at the sight of blood. WE got
to sign a contract. HOWE MUCH do you want
this dog to turn out PERFECT in about two
weeks? I'm willing to...shall we say, STAKE
my ahahahahahaaaa, life on it???

BWWWWAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> and...

And NUTHIN. I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME
OF SATAN, DOG LOVER!!!

You'll do as I say and dance when I speak...and
sing for your breakfast and beg for your treat ...
I'll stop at at nuthin to save your dog's life, includin
sellin the souls of my dog and my wife, to prove
there's no way to make a dog lover right.

I'll go with The Devil to save our dog's lives, I'll
fight tooth and nail with guns and with knives,
I'm droppin the hammer on dog trainer's careers,
and takin their eye teeth along with their rears.

They been jerkin and chokin the life outta dogs
and now I got them all by their balls in my jaws...

Now go ahead and pinch my ears..., or just
make me laugh.

I just told you we figured out your dog's problem.

> snarls toward me!

Big deal. She won't do that noMOORE once
you learn to handle her like any of my students.

> This has completely destroyed the trust

What trust? The trust established with your
choke collar and corrections?

Don't worry about a thing. WE got a CONTRACT.

Remember?

> we were building over the past month.

BWWWWAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

Got me laughin in Spanish and I don't even
speak Spanish.

> 3. She deals with visitors,

Deals? Sounds tentative. She's just a little shy. Don't worry
about it. I'm
the only game in town. I got the deal and Jerry don't make no
deals...

Well not no moore, since I'm temporarily
outta... mmm, currency.

Jerry don't compromise with dog lovers who prefer
to hurt and kill dogs than spend a couple hours
trying to show the dog HOWE to live instead of
forcing IT to choose the degree of pain it prefers
to tolerate in between spurts of life, anxiety, and repression.

> but is very anxious around people she
> doesn't know.

Shy. The anxiety is a result of punishment for being
aggressive cause she's shy, or maybe just from back
when a puppy jumpin up onto a guest and gettin
kneed in the chest or toes stepped on or alphaphalpha
rolled and growled into their throat or just SCRUFF
SHAKED and screamed NO for 5 seconds or chin
CHUCKED and bit on the ears till they piss themselves
or jerked and choked on a pronged spiked pinch choke
collar or burned with a medical grade static like stimulation
device or containment system like our dog lovers at k9
web and cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooron
recommend TO ENHANCE THE BOND between 'trainer'
and dog.

Our traditional training methods are what's making
your dog turn on you for hurting and scaring her
during her meetings with other dogs.

Our pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and janet
boss recommend pronged spiked pinch choke
and shock and citronella collars for training this
kind of dog... and they'd rather not put IT
through all that when there's SO MANY dogs
that are MOORE deserving of their HELP.

And then they'll kill our best dogs and deny it,
despite it's archived FOREVER.

You see where WE're goin with all this? WATCH.

> At first she would scream if a stranger petted
> her with 2 hands.

I'd probably come real close to dropping the
hammer on them myself. My dogs will bite you
if a stranger meeting us put their hands on us in
a restraining manner. We don't like that.

Trust me.

Strangers touching us means we got to run
and find an adult or a policeman. RIGHT?
Either that or...

> I just don't trust her around anyone yet.

Me too. I never trust a dog. I only trust my
training methods and then we don't got to
worry about what the heel the dog cares...
who the heel's the goddamned trainer, you
or the dog?

THE DOG!

You got to TRAIN YOURSELF to reflex to
his needs properly and then he'll reflex to
his natural instinct and be able to use his
dog skills as part of your family pack,
equally with you and the other family
members.

Every thing you've been taught about
handling your dog is DEAD WRONG
and your dog is prima facia evidence
in Jerry's Giiihhhaaad against the dog
behavior industry for bringing us every
dog behavior problem we've got.

> 4. She lunged at my sisters 2 year old

$#!T! You're gonna try and make this hard for
me aren't ya, pullin the fear/guilt double high
card trump tryin to make Old Jerry roll over
and piss himself with the 2 yo kid card???

NOTHIN DOIN! Get the heel outta here!

IN THE NAME OF SATAN I REBUKE YOU,
DOG LOVERS!!!

> the same way she lunged toward other dogs,
> aggressively.

Duh-Oh! Spooooookey!!!

BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> I really really like this dog,

THAT'S GREAT! I do too. I like all dogs
on general principle and individual dogs
on merit and don't like nobody no moore
than me...and mine. You got your copy
of The Contract?

Don't worry about nuthin. Me an mine are
comin through this alive... sort of, in a sense.

> when she is calm and able to relax.

Vs what? I would like to know when she's not
calm and able to relax... tell us what she's doin.

THOSE are the anxiety relief mechanisms WE
need to deal with so I can fulfill OUR Contract
and... finish you off, and that little dog too!

> I want to keep her,

LIKEWISE. WE got a long term Contract.

Haven't we?

> but I don't really know what the best way to
> establish the necessary trust.

Yeah, as a matter of fact we got EXPERTS here.
Let me INTRODUCE you around?

> Any ideas out there?

Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to
another forum. Weren't you, dog lovers? We'll
introduce our new found friends later.

Right now our OP's got some studying to do
before she has an accident cause she won't
know HOWE to handle her lead to stop
triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin time
with dog abusers who jerk and choke dogs.

That's moore than half of what gets IT angry.

Now if this sounds too unbelievable, I'll just
up the ante.

I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.

Call or write for details and agreement: 1 888 WITSEND.

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HOWEDY Ellie,

"Ellie" <yukkyspam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thank you for any help.

HOWER DOG LOVERS will do and say ANYTHING to prevent
you from gettin the INFORMATION YOU NEED.

> Hopeful in AZ

Here's Professora Daniel (Ret. UofMI) and her dog Sunshine:

"Linda" <llindaleedaniel.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c317fe4.0301072210.7f7ef069@posting.google.com...
>
> I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
> dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
> I do not know what started the problem but he came
> aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
> snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
> and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
> ad I took him with me everywhere.
>
>
> At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
> Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
> clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
> it was not working on his aggression problem.
>
>
> I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
> trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
>
>
> They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
> and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
> suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
> working as he was becoming more aggressive.
>
>
> I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph.D. 400 miles
> away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
> on the fearful canine.
>
>
> I tried another trainer who tried to use a nylon choke collar
> but it only made him worse. I read hundreds of books,
> "CULTURE CLASH", "DOG ARE FROM NEPTUNE",
> "THE OTHER END OF THE LEASH", ETC looking for help.
>
>
> We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior
> Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment
> would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking
> and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get
> in control using treats, and work on clicker training.
>
>
> At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the
> gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would
> not come when I called him and would run away when I tried
> to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the neighborhood
> as we had become that "mean dog and women who hasn't
> trained her dog"
>
>
> I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
> were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were
> so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said
> I should give up on him and kill him but they would say "You
> have to realize he is dangerous and you are responsible for
him."

You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.

> As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
> going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
> Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
> Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
>
>
> He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
> not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
> The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
> I had been working for 18 month!
>
>
> Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
> from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
> I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
> blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
> can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
>
>
> I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
> -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
> looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
> on by.
>
>
> When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
> me like "you must be out of your mind"
>
>
> The results can make a believer!!! Three weeks since
> beginning the Wits End Training Manual program I walked
> him without the gentle leader in a busy shopping area with
> many dogs. He just seemed to not notice any one.
> When people talked to him or ask his name he would
> look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
> I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
> enjoy life out in public.
>
>
> If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
> was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone.
> Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
> toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
>
>
> My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
> dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
> out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
> I know most people would have given up on him a long time
> ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
> but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
>
>
> I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!

================================

------- Message -----
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

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Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!

Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out of him.

Think it is hard for him but he never even seemed to think
about going off-reacting.

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase--Sunshine
come goodboy.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:17 PM
To: Lindalee
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!


----- Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression

HOWEDY Linda,

> I am not sure what happened but after two days
> Sunshine walked with me not sniffing, pulling or
> going his own way. In two and a half years he
> has never walked without his nose to the ground-
> -today he walked closer too the cart than ever
> before and turned to look at me every few minutes-
> -in past with treats and pleading he only looked
> toward me when I had a treat in my hand.
>
>
> It is hard to believe he has really changed so quickly.
> Now I have several questions--After one time with
> throwing the can he has always come on the first call-
> -do I need to try to set him up to not come so we can
> do four times in different places?

Yup. You've got to generalize the come command to make
it 100% reliable. MISTAKES ARE GOOD. You want him to
make a few mistakes so we can get the sound associated
with the command.

> I have not tried to call him off leash outside as that is
> the time he is does not come.

O.K. You know to do the HOT & Cold and Family Leadership
Exercises and you'll have a perfect come command in a couple
fifteen minute sessions.

> On the leash he came on the first call today even when he
> was starting to explore the leaves etc.

Excellent. We discussed his penchant for eating leaves and
dirt off the ground.

> He walked past several people today with hardly a second
glance-

We also discussed that he was rather aggressive, and you
were becoming very concerned about being able to keep him.

> he did see a cat about 10 feet away and when I called him
> the first time he did not respond but when I used the can he
> ran over to me and seemed to forget about the cat.

PERFECT. Next time you'll probably not need the sound.
Just remember to vary the origin of the sound each time,
day in to day out, the sequence never breaks.

> Now what do I do when he sees another dog?

You'll tell him GOOD BOY and prepare to make the sound
and praise if he continues looking, and if that fails, you'll
ask him to come, keeping in mind the sequence of the
commands with sound and the distract/praise techniques.

You'll get used to thinking that fast in a couple more days,
no problem.

> Although the calling him the four times seems easy it was
> very hard-

Yes, it takes a bit of a knack to get it just right, but if
you fail, not to worry, you'll be able to get it right the
next time.

We don't lose points for "do overs" as long as we get the
pup under control fast and EZ. That's HOWE COME that
dependable come command is so necessary.

> -I had a friend which was good since I had a lot of trouble
> calling the right way and using the can at the same time.

Yes, I recommended you may want a friend to help because
of your disability.

> I found out I had been calling him many times each time
> I called him to come.

Right. Should be about a second between requests and
the sounds on the second and fourth commands and move
off into the FPLX if that fails, and continue the technique.

EZ, huh???

> I am still working on the leash it is really hard when you
> are not standing upright as the leash can not be as loose
> since it drags on the ground-

Yeah, I don't know if you're able, but do try to handle the
lead exactly as instructed. It'll feel uncomfortable for a
few days, but we don't want that lead tangling and
accidentally pullin on him.

>-I am so worried without the leash around my hand

Psst! If you've got fair strength in your hands, let me
do the worrying for you... O.K.?

> but I am not sure if it was the leash,

Well, you know I told you it was the overcontrol of
the lead that triggers positive thigmotaxis, the opposition
reflex.

> telling him good boy everytime he looked at me

That ALWAYS works. All my Mrs. got to do is tell me
good boy and I'll do anything she asks. Hey? I think
I just figgered out HOWE COME she always gets
her way with me...

> or the cans,

Any sound will suffice, even an extraneous and coincidentally
but well timed sound will work, maybe even BETTER.

> but today seemed like a miracle.

WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

> I told a friend about this approach and they thought you
> were on "Today" this spring--was it you?

Naaah. There's nobody that has such fast EZ safe gentle
methods. I'll be on TV soon enough with my Doggy Do Right
(And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two
Did Too) machine.

But that's just gonna give me the floor to discuss the state
of the art of the animal behavior industry.

Would you do me a favor? If you're on the internet, I'd sure
appreciate it if you'd repost this to the groups, a lot of
people are saying terrible things about me and tellin folks
reports like yours, are FORGERIES by ME.

Thank you for being a good student.

Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:24 PM
To: Lindalee
Subject: Re: dog aggression

Dog training isn't LUCK. You'll do perfect or I'll get the
heel outta this business... Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression

Will let you know how it goes!!!--thanks for the encouragement

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Lindaleee
Subject: Re: dog aggression
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: dog aggression

HOWEDY Linda,

> I got your message tonight and have printed
> your manual--will start tomorrow--

Excellent.

> I am truly at my wits end!!!

Me too, but not with your problem. This one's EZ!

> Today he bite me twice breaking the skin when he was in a
> "rage" .

He's gonna be EZ. He's not even thinking about you when he
bites. He's just overexcited trying to PROTECT you. That'll
diminish immediately through simply handling the lead
properly, gettin the control and attention through the praise
conditioning, and distract/praising his aggressive thoughts
before he gets out of control.

EZ stuff.

> Once when he saw another dog-ran toward the dog

Sound/praise and repeat as necessary. Just remember
to always vary the direction the sound comes from. You
might need a helper to produce the alternate sounds in
time.

> and pulled me down-

In a couple days that'll cause him to come back to you.

> -since I do not walk or move very well, falling down is
> a major problem as I can not get up without much help.

He'll straighten out in a couple days of EZ work.

> He bite me when my hand went close to his mouth while I was
> falling.

Yes, but he wasn't conscious of YOU, he's in a fury protecting
you.

> The second time was when we were going down the street-
> -I use an electric cart

Excellent. You'll be able to handle him EZ like that.

> and a man walked toward us and He saw him before I did

That would complicate and slow things down.

> and took off-

In a couple days you'll have the control to stop him after
he's started.

> -lunging barking and snapping again I got my hand within
> reach of his mouth and he bite me-

That was predictable!

> -he bites what every is close.

At least he's consistent. That's GOOD!

> When he is not in a rage he will let me doing anything-

Of course. He sounds PERFECT. This is the kind of
dog I'd go out of my way to get for myself...

> -take is food away, touch him anywhere, or do anything to
> him-

Perfect.

> -and he will never even raise his lip but when he goes
> off he is in another world.

Yeah, kinda like me...

> You are my last hope-

You're gonna be EZ.

> -he works to help me at home--he picks up anything on the
> floor, closes doors, picks up the daily paper and will stand to
> brace me when I stand up on my bad days.

He sounds like a great dog!

> He waits for me to go out the door first and will wait until
> I call him to come in and close the door.

He'll learn the same manners when in pubic.

> He really helps me everyday and if I didn't have him life
> would much harder.

We'll fix him up in a couple days of EZ work.

> But I know if we can not solve the "rage" problem

Pssst! It's already in the bag...

> he will bite someone other than me and will have to be
> killed.

Not to worry, that'll be past history in a couple days.

> Your method seems so simple

It is. Just follow the techniques and ask me if you
need any help. I've got all kinds of fast EZ solutions
for any problem you could encounter.

> after all we have tried it does not seem possible to
> change his behavior easily-

Everything you've tried has relied on bribes force
and confrontation.

> -but I will start trying tomorrow.

And instead of trying to force him to stay in control,
you'll PRAISE his first aggressive thought and he'll
move in close to YOU to protect you, not charge at
others. He'll learn FAST that you want the aggression
and he'll want to use it BEST for YOU, so he'll do
EVERY THING you ask the first time.

I'd LOVE to have a hundred dogs just like him today.

> I use a Halti so he does not pull me over-usually!

Right, but here again, you're relying on some degree
of force to control him. That will ALWAYS trigger
the OPPOSITE of what we want, telling him to be
aggressive, not to pay attention to you and your safety.

Once he sees THAT, you're gonna need a shoe horn
to PRY him AWAY from you.

In fact, when you WANT him to attack someone all you'll
have to do is let him see someone and gently pull back
on his collar without sayin nuthin, and that'll set him off...

> but have never used punishment, choke collar or any
> other "corrections"

Good, that'll make it REAL EZ to teach him my methods.

> I taught him all his tricks and tasks with a clicker and
> food.

Fine. We'll forget the treats and use the click differently
for our puporses.

> Thanks for your help in advance-

CONGRATULATIONS in advance...

> -I pray your method will be our salvation!!!

No need to. It's already DONE.

> Linda.

Do me a favor? If you could keep a record of our
discussions and your work with your pup, and
send it in to the news groups I participate in, it'd
be a great benefit and inspiration for others in the
same or similar situations.

Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.

Yours, Jerry.

================================


--------Original Post-----------
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -

WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Will try it today and post how well this system works.
We went to a dog class that I had enrolled in for
resocialization--getting him to not lunge and try to
attack every dog he sees, we were at the third class
and I forgot the Halti but he was relaxed and had no
problem with any of the seven dogs-

-in the past he would shake and after a little while
turn away from the dogs and look at the wall. Saturday
he wanted to play with the dogs--he actually pulled
toward the dogs- kinda jumped around like he use to do
before he became aggressive- when he got close to another
dog.

Teacher was impressed with him but thought it was from
her class--I didn't tell her anything different-she had
tried but it sure was not working.

Today on our walk a dog went by and he alerted but did
not move toward the dog and when I called him he actually
came with his tail wagging and forget about the dog.

I have told everyone I see about your dog training-
-all my friends and neighbors know I have been so worried
and frustrated with Sunshine's behavior-infact some would
turn around and go the other way so as not to get close to us.

If people knew how easy it could be to get a dog to come
and listen to you there would be a lot less dogs in shelters.

I know I didn't know what to do and was afraid I would have
to kill him if he bite someone even though I loved him so
much.

--- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

HOWEDY Linda,

Your words are music to my ears, and are my
sunshine.

Thank you for being a good student. I'm available any time
you have a question or whatever.

Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.

Yours, Jerry.

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