HOWEDY taragreen2,
"Tara" <taragreen2 RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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> vampyresskiss RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > Tell her your puppies are trying to chew
> > the walls or floor or steal food off the
> > counters. Ask her how to teach them
> > her "LEAVE IT" command. She won't tell
> > you what she does. She jerks and chokes
> > them on pronged spiked pinch choke collars
> > and SCREAMS "LEAVE IT!". And denies
> > she hurts and intimidates dogs.
>
> You're listening to JERRY HOWE????
Yeah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard just taught
her HOWE to POISON PROOF her puppys and
train them to stay in the kitchen withHOWET a
gate or cage or hurting and intmidating them
like HOWE you would to POISON PROOF or
train a dog to STAY in a room or yard and not
leave it's BHOWENDARIES.
> Are you kidding?
Nope. It only takes a couple minutes if you know HOWE.
> Its a really sad thing that you have chosen
> to align yourself with one of the most insane
> posters on all of usenet
You mean on accHOWENT of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard teaches HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
HOWE to get 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-
TROLL NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET HURTIN
noWON other than the professional lying dog abusing
punk thug coward and active long term incurable
MENTAL CASES HE'S IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED by QUOTING their own words?
> (he's actually famous on quite a few
> newsgroups for being certifiable,
INDEED? You've got a very long history of hurting
dogs and lying abHOWET it and bein an active long
term incurable multi substance abuser and victim of
physical SPHOWESAL and parental abuse which
made BOTH them and you, a MENTAL CASE.
> and has been tossed off of more than one ISP for his behavior)
That's false. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's POSTS
have been INVESTIGATED by EVERY ISP HE'S
used and FHOWEND to be FACTUAL and THEREFORE
they CANNOT OBJECT TO ANY THING The Amazing
Puppy Wizards SEZ so long as HE QUOTES YOU when
HE IDENTIFIES YOU as LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES.
> rather than actually try and understand how
> what you are doing is hurting puppies and dogs.
We was talkin abHOWET your LEAVE IT command
and HOWE you POISON PROOF and PERIMETER
TRAIN a puppy, taragreen2.
REMEMBER?
The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just TELLIN HOWER
new poster that you HURT dogs to train them and if she'd
ASK YOU for your LEAVE IT COMMAND you'd TEACH
HER HOWE to JERK and CHOKE and SHOCK and
SPRAY AVERSIVES in her puppys face to TRAIN IT.
> But you've made your priorities clear.
INDEEDY!
> By the way, Jerry's lies about me
CITES PLEASE?
> have embarrassed more than one poster.
That so? You mean you and your pals...
> He recently humiliated a colleague of his (one
> that I know personally) by lying to him to entice
> him into fighting me in the ng.
Oh? You mean LeeCharlesKelly? You and your
punk thug coward mental case pals called him
a LIAR on accHOWENT of he learned HOWE
to train dogs NEARLY INSTANTLY withHOWET
HURTING THEM, although he uses a somewhat
different method than The Amazing Puppy Wizard.
> Turned out Jerry wasn't exactly telling the truth then,
Well, on accHOWENT of you DENIED talkin abHOWET
Lee's methods when you was talkin abHOWET Lee's
methods just on accHOWENT of you didn't mention
HIS NAME as the SOURCE of your "information" you
misled Lee to believe that The Amazing Puppy Wizard
said you was talkin abHOWET HIM, not HIS METHOD
which you BUNGLED and offered some other imbecile's
take on "TRAINING IN DRIVE."
HOWEver, that's neigther fish nor FHOWEL.
The QUESTION IS, HOWE does taragreen2
POISON PROOF or PERIMETER TRAIN a dog?
BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU CAN'T, on accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE.
> just as he's not telling the truth now.
YOUR LEAVE IT COMMAND, taragreen2?
Re: why are Tara Green and Leah talking about me, or are they?
"LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymethod RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Re: Magic Bait Bag & Clicker Fun
>
> Kelley: I see now why Jerry thought my
> techniques were under discussion --
> they kind of were. From my website:
And Lee cites the CASE HISTORY from his
website remarkably similar to what you posted,
IN FACT it was nearly verbatim.
> But its clearly not your style to get educated *before*
> you act. This would be just another example of that.
YOUR LEAVE IT COMMAND,taragreen2?
> My posting history speaks for itself.
INDEED. YOU REFUSE TO TEACH US YOUR
LEAVE IT COMMAND on accHOWENT of you
HURT and INTIMDIATE dogs and LIE abHOWET it.
GO AHEAD. TEACH US YOUR LEAVE IT COMMAND.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> So does yours by now.
Well La Di Da, taragreen2, Lee was just SAYIN:
Re: why are Tara Green and Leah talking about me, or are they?
"LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymethod RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Okay, I got an e-mail from that crazy person Jerry
> (who, by the way, is totally not crazy but incredibly
> sane, without the need for Halidol or Prozac like
> some of you here), and he said that Tara and Leah
> were talking about me as if they understood or used
> my training methods.
>
> Now, Tara I can understand because she's actually
> read, and partially understood "Natural Dog Training",
> but Leah?
>
> And frankly? My problem is that right now, I'm trying
> to finish the last two or three chapters I have left right
> now on my latest novel so I can wrap up the story in a
> nice Christmas bundle ("Twas the Bite Before Christmas",
> due in stores in Nov. 2005, though "To Collar a Killer", a
> great summer read, and a lovely Christmas novel to boot,
> has just been released to stores this week) and so I don't
> have the time to defend myself from whatever shenanigans
> are going on on this wonderful message group.
>
> I can't even find the right thread to post this in . . .
"LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymethod RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Tara:>Again, it depends on how you look at it, I think.
> There are all kinds of micro moments within a training
> moment. We al chose which micro moments to reinforce
> and which to "punish" (and I'm NOT going down thatroad
> again!).
The heel you AIN'T you lying dog abusing mental case.
> I've been experimenting recently with Jerry Howe's
> method of using a sound distraction, then praising
> the dog, without any physical contact, for 15 seconds.
>
> My initial reaction to his technique was that it was silly
> to keep praising the dog that long. I mean, Jerry's a nut,
> right? But in every case except one, when I've followed
> the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite physiological
> change take place in the dog -- yawning or stretching
> have been the usual indicators -- and after only a few
> repetitions, the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes
> to sleep!
>
> I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing, separation
> anxiety, even two dogs who live together and fight
> constantly. I was pretty amazed when I saw this little
> Boston give up her aggression and start to yawn!
>
> It's too early for me to be convinced that it will work
> every single time with every single dog, or that it will
> even have a lasting effect on these dogs, but so far
> I think that it's effective at reducing emotional tension,
> which, as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
> from the dog trying to find a way to reduce emotional
> tension.
>
> If you give the dog a replacement behavior that
> successfully reduces emotional tension, the first
> behavior will no longer be necessary and the dog
> will stop doing it.
> Tara
Re: Your Training Modality is Driving Your Dogs Crazy
"LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymethod RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Leah:>>Is there something wrong with being curious?
>
> Morrison:>You're not curious, Leah.
> IMO, you're just wishy-washy.
>
> Kelley: I hardly think that being open to
> new ideas qualifies as being "wishy-washy".
> To me it shows intellectual curiosity, which
> is always a good thing.
>
> Morrison:>You keep thinking that there's some
> "new" method out there that will VOILA!, magically
> transform you into a great trainer, and overnight, too.
Yeah, JUST LIKE HOWE ALL The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World
who REPORT 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CON-TROLL
and CURE ALL temperament and behavior problems
NEARLY INSTANTLY.
YOU CALL THEM LIARS and FORGERIES,
REMEMBER taragreen2? BWEEEEEEAHAHAHA!!!
> >It just doesn't work that way.
DOES NHOWE, you lyign dog abusing punk thug coward fraud.
> Kelley: In actual fact, it worked exactly that
> way for me. It's long been my contention
> that if I can get amazing results just by testing
> Kevin's techniques to see if they work, when
> I'm not really a dog trainer, but a writer at heart,
> then people who are really dog trainers at heart
> should be able to far surpass me and my meager
> talents in this field. Of course, that was before it
> began to dawn on me that far too many dog trainers
> only *became* dog trainers because it gave them
> an opportunity to flex their muscles and exert some
> kind of "power" and "control" over animals, when
> the real talent is in teaching these animals how to
> control their own behavior.
>
> But where's the fun in that when what you really
> want to do is be in control and tell the dog what
> to do or not to do all the time?
>
> It's a totally foreign concept, sadly, for most dog
> trainers to learn how to give up control to the dog!
>
> That means you have to trust the dog's
> instincts, not fight them.
>
> Leah:>>This "praise the dog when he misbehaves"
> thing keeps coming up, and nobody has been able
> to explain it to me.
>
> Morrison:>That's because no one can.
>
> Actually, Jerry Howe explains it pretty well.
>
> And in the instance I related, where I praised my
> dog when he found a chicken breast, it seems to
> me that the answer is very clear.
>
> He went after it, not because he was hungry,
> but because he was feeling a need to connect
> to something through his instincts.
>
> My sudden praise provided him with a stronger
> and more satisfying feeling than he got from grabbing
> the "forbidden fruit", and so he willingly gave it up,
> because it didn't provide him with the same level
> of satisfaction.
>
> It's really that simple.
>
> Will it work every time with every dog?
BET YOUR DOGGAMNED LIFE ON IT.
> Sure, but only if the praise provides a higher level of
> satisfaction for the dog than whatever behavior he's
> engaged in.
Well THAT'S HOWE COME we NEVER scold
or punish bribe intimdate or physically force a
dog child or spHOWES. AIN'T IT.
> That sounds like pure operant conditioning to me,
> something you supposedly understand.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't understand
such scientific terminology... to HIM, OC means
HURT INTIMDIATE and PUNISH dogs.
> But then you'd have to realize that praise
> is not what you think it is.
Yeah. If we withHOLD it it can be a PUNISHER.
and THAT would CONfHOWEND TRAINING. So
THAT'S HOWE COME we always PRAISE IN
ADVANCE when POISON PROOFIN and PERIMETER
TRAININ a dog.
"LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymethod RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Leah:>>Is there something wrong with being curious?
>
> Morrison:>You keep thinking that there's some "new"
> method out there that will VOILA!, magically transform
> you into a great trainer, and overnight, too.
>
> >It just doesn't work that way.
>
> Kelley: Actually, that's exactly how it worked with me.
>
> Within the first day of using these techniques I
> went from becoming a run-of-the-mill trainer to
> being pretty damn good, if I do say so, and all
> by testing the techniques, just to see if they worked.
>
> I've said from the beginning that if I can get the kind
> of results I do when I'm not really a dog trainer at heart,
> but a writer, then someone who's really a dog trainer
> at heart would become a far better trainer than I am
> instantly using these methods.
>
> Somewhere along the line, however, I discovered a
> dirty little secret about the mentality of most dog trainers:
> they only *became* trainers because they liked the feeling
> of power and control it gave them.
>
> If that's the case with you, then you definitely
> wouldn't like natural dog training because it
> ultimately teaches a dog how to control his own
> behavior.
>
> In fact in some ways, it forces you to give
> control over to the dog because it works
> by fostering trust in a dog's natural instincts
> instead of fighting against them all the time.
>
> When you put yourself in alignment with the
> dog's instincts, the dog will naturally obey you
> under any and all circumstances because that's
> the most fundamental part of his nature.
>
> I came across the following quote recently, and
> though I have no idea who Edward Hoagland is,
> I think what he says here speaks volumes:·"In
> order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely
> try to train him to be semi-human. The point of
> it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming
> partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland
>
> Leah:>>This "praise the dog when he misbehaves"
> thing keeps coming up, and nobody has been able
> to explain it to me.
>
> Morrison:>That's because no one can.
>
> Actually, Jerry Howe explains it pretty well.
> And as for the incident I related where I praised
> my dog when he found a juicy chicken breast
> and my praise caused him to drop it, and
> subsequently got him to stop scavenging
> altogether, the answer is pretty clear.
>
> He didn't pick it up because he was hungry,
> he was just looking for something to do that
> would satisfy an inner emotional need relating
> to his instincts.
>
> When I praised him suddenly and very enthusiastically,
> he dropped the chicken breast because the praise
> provided him with more emotional satisfaction than the
> chicken breast did at that paricular moment.
>
> You could look at this as being an example of pure
> operant conditioning, if you like (though it's not), but
> it would still mean that you would have to give up your
> ideas of what praise is and how and why it works.
>
> Morrison:>every single method out there is based
> on CC and/or OC. That's a fact.
>
> No, it's not a fact. The only reason it seems so
> to you is because it's basic premise is tautological
> (and also because, IMO, you have a tiny mind).
>
> And dogs do not learn things by association or
> repetition or trial and error, but through their emotions.
>
> Even Pavlov said so: "Positive emotions arising in
> connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> of its pragmatic significance at a given moment,
> serve as the reinforcement."
>
>
> So, we're back to the anterior cingulate cortex, which
> is where emotional memories are stored.
"LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymethod RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Leah:>>Is there something wrong with being curious?
>
> Morrison:>You're not curious, Leah. IMO, you're just
wishy-washy.
>
> Kelley: I don't have the same history that you seem to have with
Leah, but
> I hardly think being open to exploring new ideas qualifies as
being
> "wishy-washy". To me it shows intelligence. But then, from
what I've
> seen, you've demonstrated a singular kind of black-and-white
mentality and
> a highly ignorant closed-mindedness.
>
> Morrison:>You keep thinking that there's some "new" method out
there that
> will VOILA!, magically transform you into a great trainer, and
overnight,
> too.
>
> >It just doesn't work that way.
>
> Kelley: Actually, that's *exactly* how it worked with me.
<snip>
> That's because when you put yourself in alignment with
> a dog's instincts, the dog will naturally obey you under
> any and all circumstances because group harmony and
> cooperation, when properly nurtured, are the most
> fundamental aspects of a dog's nature.
<snip>
> Leah:>>This "praise the dog when he misbehaves"
> thing keeps coming up, and nobody has been able
> to explain it to me.
> Morrison:>every single method out there is based on CC
> and/or OC. That's a fact.
>
> No, it's not a fact. The only reason it seems factual
> to you is because the basic premise of behavioral
> science is tautological in nature (and also because,
> IMO, you have a tiny mind).
>
> In my estimation it's more likely that there are little
> green men on Mars than that what you think is
> operant conditioning is what's really taking place
> when a dog learns *anything*.
>
> Dogs do not learn things by association or by repetition
> or by trial and error, but through their emotions, pure and
> simple.
>
> Even Pavlov said: "Positive emotions arising in
> connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
> of its pragmatic significance at a given moment,
> serve as the reinforcement."
>
> Of course, even Pavlov got it wrong on the
> most basic level, since there really is no
> such thing as a reinforcement, but that's
> another story for another day.
And whaddaya know, here it is, a other day:
"LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymethod RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Loathesome Jack Morrison wrote:[snip of the usual and
> *extremely* repetitive, verbose, bizarre, pseudoscientific
> psychobabble and gibberish, sounding very much like the
> repeated flushing of a toilet somewhere in Uzbekistan]
>
> >The point is, you're a doofus, Kelley, and that you
> > associate with the wrong kinds of people. Jerry
> > Howe got you into this mess, but he can't get you
> > out of it.
>
> >[even more superfluous and totally irrelevant drivel snipped)
>
> (a little snipping of my own)
>
> > I think I've already been pretty clear, and succinct,
> > about what I think of you as a trainer, Kelley. I'm
> > known the world over for my clarity and succinctness.
>
> Somehow I doubt that's what you're actually known for*.
>
> > But the more that you ramble on, the more that I
> > also realize that you're just a big pompous asshole
> > of a human being, too.
>
> *See? You may think that's succinct, but it's
> really just sour, angry, and extremely juvenile.
>
> >>I wish I'd had a video camera with me when
> >> I worked with Margo.
>
> > Margo must be a cat, because I don't think you've
> > ever worked with a real dog in your life.
>
> Typical. I present a true story that illustrates the
> differences in our philosophies and instead of
> examining my process with the dog -- which is
> something you apparently couldn't possibly
> comprehend -- you toss off a dismissive one-liner,
> questioning my veracity.
>
> I was there, Jackie. I felt my testicles go into hiding
> the second that apartment door opened. I mean, this
> dog really wanted to kill me. But do you examine the
> key points in the process, maybe scratch your head a
> little, try to figure it out?
>
> No, you just pretend it never happened.
>
> That says a lot more about your credibility (or lack
> of it) than it does mine.
>
> Here are the sections you so injudiciously snipped:
>
> >> I was met by a Rottweiler who'd been kept in
> >> a locked basement so long that her puppy collar
> >> had to be surgically removed. She exhibited intense
> >> aggression toward me when I came to her new
> >> owner's door and her owner,who had AIDS, was
> >> unable to control her.
>
> >> I suggested that he leash the dog and meet
> >> me in the lobby, where I lay on the floor,
> >> encouraging the dog to approach me in whatever
> >> way felt comfortable to her. After she made contact,
> >> we went back up to the apartment and ten minutes
> >> later she was lying on her back next to me, on the
> >> couch, with her legs in the air, happily mouthing my
> >> hand (which I had deliberately and purposely put
> >> inside her mouth).
>
> (Scratching your head yet?)
>
> >> I suggested that the owner do the same mouthing
> >> exercise I was doing, on a daily basis, and play tug-
> >> of-war with the dog every day, always letting her win
> >> and praising her for winning.
>
> >>That was the last time she was aggressive to anyone.
>
> >> (I forgot to mention that I also told him to never
> >> say "No!", never correct the dog for anything, and
> >> to always praise her for barking whenever someone
> >> new came to visit.)
JUST LIKE HOWE IT SEZ in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
> (Puzzled at all, Jackie? Wait, there's more:)
>
> >> you can probably see from what I described
> >> with the Rottweiler that you and I have very
> >> different ways of doing things. Kevin Behan,
> >> who's worked for more than thirty years with
> >> hard cases, said that his whole approach to
> >> problem dogs changed when he learned to
> >> "give the dog permission to bite",
JUST LIKE HOWE IT SEZ in your FREE
copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
> >> something which, I assume, would get
> >> a huge <boggle> from you
Seems HOWER DOG LOVERS are abHOWET
all laffed HOWETA laffs. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAA!!!
THAT'S HOWE COME they sez "HE who laffs last..."
> >> and most other trainers.
Like those The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED.
> >> (What? No boggle?)
IT AIN'T OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.
> >> Giving the dog "permission to bite" (which
> >> is different from "letting" the dog bite) can
> >>often defuse an aggressive situation dramatically.
INDEEDY. JUST LIKE HOWE IT SEZ.
> >> I can't pretend to know what you would
> >> have done with Margo, neither can you.
tommy or taragreen2 woulda HUNG the dog a la koehler.
> >> But I assume, and perhaps wrongly, that you
> >> would have seen this as a case that required
> >> physical "discipline". I was there and it was my
> >> feeling when I met her that discipline was the last
> >> thing that poor dog needed.
Yeah. It's the last thing anyWON needs, EXXXCEPT
HOWER DOG LOVERS who HURT INTIMDIATE and
MURDER dogs and LIE abHOWET it.
Like you, taragreen2.
> (Oh, and did I mention? I was absolutely right.)
>
> So stop ducking the hard questions (the way you
> did with my examples of why praising a dog for
> misbehavior is effective, or the examples I gave
> showing why the old model of learning, which says
> that it takes place by a process of association,
> repetition, or trial and error, is wrong).
>
> You're a big mouth, right? You know more than I do,
> supposedly. So where's your God *now*, Moses?
> Huh? Why is it that what I did with Margo turned
> her from a snarling beast into a sweet, cuddly toy?
>
> One other question: what the hell are you so angry about?
Seems HOWER DOG LOVERS got a case
of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
"Linda" <llindaleedaniel RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message
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> I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
> dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
> I do not know what started the problem but he came
> aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
> snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
> and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
> ad I took him with me everywhere.
>
> At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
> Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
> clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
> it was not working on his aggression problem.
> I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
> trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
>
> They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
> and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
> suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
> working as he was becoming more aggressive.
>
> I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph.D. 400 miles
> away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
> on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
> use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
> I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
> ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
> LEASH", ETC looking for help.
>
> We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior
> Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment
> would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking
> and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get
> in control using treats,and work on clicker training.
>
> At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the
> gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would
> not come when I called him and would run away when I tried
> to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
> neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and
> women who hasn't trained her dog."
>
> I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
> were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were
> so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I
> should give up on him and kill him but they would say
> "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
> responsible for him."
You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.
> As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
> going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
> Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
> Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
> He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
> not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
> The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
> I had been working for 18 months!
>
> Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
> from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
> I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
> blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
> can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
>
> I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
> -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
> looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
> on by.
>
> When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
> me like "you must be out of your mind"
>
> The results can make a believer!!!
>
> Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
> Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
> in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
>
> He just seemed to not notice any one.
>
> When people talked to him or ask his name he would
> look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
> I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
> enjoy life out in public.
>
> If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
> was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone.
>
> Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
> toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
>
> My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
> dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
> out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
>
> I know most people would have given up on him a long time
> ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
> but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
>
> I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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------- Message -----
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
"misty" <Momisty RemoveThis @webtv.net wrote in message news:
16990-3CAB1F8C-1 RemoveThis @storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping
my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momisty RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
> dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
>
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
> back in the yard and would run for days.
>
>The last time, Peach didn't
> come back home.
>
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
> my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
> reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
>
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
> chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
> the yard.
>
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog.
>
> I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
> our yard again.
>
> The price was too high:-( ~misty
--------------------------------
> <dogsnus"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea,
and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I
get to listen to the box first?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drvonh RemoveThis @mindspring.com>
To: <pdd-aspy-nf RemoveThis @yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?
How does diagnosis shape treatment?
Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.
His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).
Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.
Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.
Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.
You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".
Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.
Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.
<snip>
Dogs or little boys, you have to know the
individual history, and the nature of he disorder.
Dr. Von
PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at Jerry's
work, ThePuppyWizard RemoveThis @EarthLink.Net
From: TooCool (larrymale@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not
a
bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not
only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon
their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little
Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin
(anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
===================
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
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(_o_) Have a great day!
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(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW; ~ } >
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