HOWEDY Roger,
"Roger Taylor" <sherryrogeratcomcastdotnet> wrote in message
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> We have a 16 year old active and well exercised Pomeranian
> in otherwise good health. In the past year he often cannot make
> it through the night without popping out of his basket and quietly
> peeing on the bedroom rug.
There's ONLY TWO *(2) reasons HOWE COME
a dog or kat would have HOWEsbreakin problems:
1. He's SICK.
OR
2. He's UNHAPPY.
> Half the time, he manages to make it to the door and scratch,
So, half the time he's WELL and / or HAPPY <{}: ~ ) >
> and we let him out, but other times he doesn't
> appear to have time to express his wishes.
Could be he's suffering from a condition called urgency,
where he doesn't get the signal that he's got to relieve
hisself in advanced enough time, to ask to go HOWET.
You might want to make up a leakproof tray and line
it with newspapers so he can relieve hisself in an emergency.
OR it could be he's UNHAPPY.
There are several EFFECTIVE methods you can use,
including the Surrogate Toy Technique, to EXXXTINGUISH
this behavior NEARLY INSTANTLY:
http://www.relinkz.com/EffectiveNonPhysicalDogTraininAIN'TLUCK777It'sSCIENCEAtItsBEAST
Unless of curse, your dog is SICK <{}: ~ ) >
SO, if it DON'T WORK in a day or two, you'll KNOW
your dog NEEDS to see a veterinarian <{}: ~ ) >
> Our only solution so far is to hop-to, soak up the pee,
Your response COULD BE reinforcing the behavior
especially if you scold punish or lecture him.
LIKE THIS:
Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer of the
Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:
Marshall Dermer wrote:
> In article <IDnj3.14478$y92.8...@news.rdc1.ct.home.com>
"Suzee" <suz....DeleteThis@home.com> writes:
> Hi,
> I need help with a problem I am having with my
> 9 month old Maltese. She is crated and in the
> morning when I let her out side she urinates, but
> then does nothing else. I let her in the house and
> she is fine till later I see her poops in the corner of
> my living room. She loves to poop in the house.
> I have tried re crating her when she comes back in,
> waiting a while and taking her back out. She sniffs
> everywhere but doesn't do anything.
> I really praise her when she goes outside and after
> urinating she seems to look at me for approval.
> any advise would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Suez... aka Shayna's mom
Reinforcing a dog for eliminating outdoors is surely
the "way to go," but how do you know that praise is
an effective reward???
Why not try this. Find something that your dog REALLY
likes (our Havanese goes crazy over popcorn!), and when
Shayna (A cute Yiddish name for a pooch.) eliminates
immediately say "good girl" and offer her the reward.
In this way you will be using a strong reward to
consequate her eliminating outdoors and you will
be establishing "good girl" as a conditioned reinforcer.
If I caught my dog IN THE ACT of eliminating
indoors, I would say "bad dog" and give him a
stern lecture as I took him outdoors where I
would praise him even if he did not poop.
If he eliminated indoors and I did not see it, I
would say "bad trainer" and give myself a stern
lecture for not watching my dog more closely.
Best wishes,
Marshall
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THAT'S ABSURD.
A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about dashing into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Report
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee,
WI 53201/ der....DeleteThis@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING
On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)
26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001 8:15 pm
Email: der....DeleteThis@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d....DeleteThis@posting.google.com>
mattburns....DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:
Dear Matt:
Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.
My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.
--Marshall
PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many
of us filter posts with this term. The term indicates
that the post is about Jerry.
I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently,
I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts
of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much.
They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.
*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG
POSTED CASE HISTORIES of INCURABLE
MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN INTIMIDATIN
an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)
Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
Analysis Specialty/ Department of Psychology/
University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee,
WI 53201
der....DeleteThis@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But
if I am only for myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
From: der....DeleteThis@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der....DeleteThis@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178....DeleteThis@pilot.msu.edu>
> >tami sutherland <suthe....DeleteThis@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
> > However, there have been incidences where she has
> > growled and snapped at us...for instance, when
> > we were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps,
> IMMEDIATELY pick her up ONLY by the skin at
> the back of her neck, for 5 sec, and loudly say, "NO!"
>
> Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you will have to
> find another way to administer a prompt correction, for example,
> throwing a can filled with pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holing
her mouth shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
decreased; and two, you have established "No"
as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********
IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?
************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
From: der....DeleteThis@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/12/21
Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer
In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"
<j....DeleteThis@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish
> your dog, do you find that he masturbates more frequently after such
> instances? (referring to your post about your dog using a pillow to get
> himself off)
First, I punish behavior, not dogs.
Second, I rarely issue corrections.
Third, as time goes on my dog uses
the pillow less frequently.
I would say he uses it about once a month.
Finally, I'm not really concerned about my dog's
masturbating; I don't find such dog behavior
offensive.
Eating dog poop, for me, is another story.
And the rate of that behavior has also
diminished with time. :-)
--Marshall
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Coprophagia is CAUSED by your HOWEsbreakin
methods, therefore it can be EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY, simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
HOWE the EXXXPERTS recommend.
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
Don't you know it hurts so good.
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the support
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
----------------------------
In the followin scientific research, you may substitute
pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
and add PUNISHMENT or SCOLDING:
.Psychological Effects
At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?
"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.
It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect of
shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.
Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).
The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.
One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.
It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.
The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.
They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake, at least in the presence of their owners.
This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
experience of being shocked during training.
---------------------
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims
of operant programers."
----------------------
Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Was:
Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESES With PRAISE,
Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
<{) ; - ) >
Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
support or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
with what he has just done, it has to do with your
relationship with him.
"Good dog" means "I love you, dog".
If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
You praise and admire him.
Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
enemy.
Why does paradoxical reward work?
The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
"Good Dog" you love and praise him.
THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.
The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
trying to get in and eat him.
The dog knows that it is stupid to
defecate where he eats or sleeps.
Don't you?
If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.
Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!
Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.
Love the dog.
Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
on the floor.
Fondly, Dr. Von
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology
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SEE?
AND THAT'S HOWE COME
professor dermer
DON'T POST HERE
nodoGdameneD more <{}: ~ ) >
> and apply one of those bio-digesters
LIKE THIS:
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der....DeleteThis@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz....DeleteThis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> that is supposed to remove the scent.
Dogs DO NOT scent mark over their own spots.
> One option that occurred to me was to put aluminum foil sheet
> around the base of his basket, so the crinkly sound would awaken
> us. I tried it, and it wakes us up, but he has too many false alarms,
> where he just wants to stretch and have a limber-up session.
That was a nice try. Too bad it didn't work. Have you ever
CONsidered TRAININ your dog not to do that? There are
several EFFECTIVE methods you can use to EXXXTINGUISH
this behavior NEARLY INSTANTLY unless of curse, your
dog is SICK <{}: ~ ) >
SO, if it DON'T WORK in a day or two, you'll KNOW
your dog NEEDS to see a veterinarian <{}: ~ ) >
> How about reverting to crate training,
THERE AIN'T NO SUCH THING. Locking dogs in
boxes can make them GO INSANE <{}: ~ ( >
> and putting him in a large open top cardboard box at night,
> on the assumption he will scratch when he has to pee, rather
> than soil his nest?
"Stone walls do not a prison make...," H.D. Thoreau.
> I am interested in how some of you with older
> dogs handles this inevitable issue with elderly
> or incontinent pets.
MOST of your fellHOWE dog lover's dog's GOT
THE SAME PROBLEM for the SAME REASONS.
They often call this CCD (canine cognitive disorder).
They often MURDER their dogs for this condition.
> Roger
LIKE THIS:
"elegy" <e....DeleteThis@shattering.org> wrote in message
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i never meant to own a poodle. i used to take those
online "what breed of dog is right for you tests"
and get poodle and go back and change my answers.
i especially never meant to own a little poodle.
sometimes life turns out to be the last thing you expect.
the first time i met her i had just started working
overnights by myself. she was hospitalized with
pneumonia and an ugly anal gland abscess. she
barked and carried on and peed in her cage every
twenty minutes and pretty much drove me crazy
all night and i absolutely couldn't stand her.
then one of our doctors brought her back to the
hospital for good. her owner had alzheimers and
had to go into a home, and pam said she'd take
siren and try to find her a home. the womans
other dog was an easy rehome- a 2 year old mini
poodle, cute as a button. but siren was 16, senile,
with advanced heart disease, not great kidneys,
full cataracts in both eyes, and no potty training
whatsoever.
she stayed about 2 months in the kennels. she
grew on me. i would leave her out with me at
night so she'd get some exercise and some
attention. one night i mentioned to the vet who
had brought her in that i wished i could take
her but was afraid i couldn't afford her.
she'd need multiple medications, regular bloodwork,
x-rays, etc. the vet offered to pay for her medical bills
if i'd give her a good home.
she told me she didn't expect siren to live more than
a year. she lasted 18 months and 4 days. she could
have kept going physically. but her little brain had
just run out. the past two weeks she's just been terrible.
she was pacing nonstop and wouldn't or couldn't stop.
i'd pick her up and try to bring her back to bed and
quiet her down, and her legs would just keep pacing
as i held her.
she was getting lost and stuck in corners, and at walls,
and in weird places i can't figure out how she got into.
she hardly knew where she was or what was going on
anymore.
and when i asked her what she wanted, all i got was
an overwhelming feeling of apathy.
so i took her in tonight after appointments and we
put her to sleep. it was one of the hardest decisions
i've ever had to make.
i think i've been crying for a week. i thought i was
cried out, but when the vet was giving her the
injection and started crying,
i lost it.
i'm home now and just feel so empty. i have to
figure out what to do with all her things. her bed.
her coats. i feel so lost.
they got me beautiful flowers at work and i keep
looking at them and tearing up again because i
am just so touched.
she was a special dog and she touched a lot of
people's lives. i miss her very much.
goodnight my little space princess. sleep sweet
and remember me in your dreams.
<http://escape.nightsfall.net/shudder/images/sirensunshine.jpg> > ---
> petey was a pit bull.
> http://shattering.org
-------------------
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
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